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  • Michael
    Founder & Owner-Daycare.com
    • Aug 2007
    • 7947

    2nd Presidential Debate - Your Vote for President

    As with the other Polls on the Presidential debate I am polling this one on who you will vote for, not who won the debate. I would like to see if the debates move the numbers.

    Here are the other polls:

    First Presidential Debate Results



    Vice-Presidential Debate Results


    79
    Obama/Biden
    0%
    38
    Romney/Ryan
    0%
    36
    Other
    0%
    3
    Undecided
    0%
    2

    The poll is expired.

  • laundrymom
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 4177

    #2
    I'm still undecided. I truly feel conflicted by everything this year. I really wish Phineas & Ferb were an option. :-/

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    • AnneCordelia
      Daycare.com Member
      • Jul 2011
      • 816

      #3
      I love that Obama spoke up about the value of women. I was sad Romneys vision of equality has women getting g off work at 5 so they can get home to cook and clean for their families. Ick Romney.

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      • MyAngels
        Member
        • Aug 2010
        • 4217

        #4
        Originally posted by laundrymom
        I'm still undecided. I truly feel conflicted by everything this year. I really wish Phineas & Ferb were an option. :-/
        I agree. It's my opinion that it will come down to the undecided voters, and when people step into that voting booth I think they'll vote to keep the status quo. I guess we'll see in November.

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        • SunshineMama
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Jan 2012
          • 1575

          #5
          In all fairness to Romney, he wasn't saying that women are in charge of making dinner and taking care of the kids. The point he was trying to make is that there needs to be more flexibility for women in the workplace.

          We can all act offended like he isn't giving women equal rights, but let's be real: Women are still the ones who do most of the childcare, housework, cooking, etc for the family. AND women are also working outside of the home.

          I think that flexibility is really important in the workplace. The women's movement was supposed to be about choice, and women are ending up shouldering not only the homefront but also the workplace now. I know that if I was able to get a good paying job outside of the home that allowed me to prioritize my family needs, I would not be doing daycare right now.

          The Obama campaign is making a huge effort to make Romney look like he doesnt care for womens rights, and that Romney's vision of women is outdated. Romney's state had some of the highest quantity of women in his staff than any other state. He is employing qualified women, AND providing them with flexibility to manage their homes as well. He is realistic about the needs of women in the workplace and on the home front.

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          • lovemykidstoo
            Daycare.com Member
            • Aug 2012
            • 4740

            #6
            Originally posted by SunshineMama
            In all fairness to Romney, he wasn't saying that women are in charge of making dinner and taking care of the kids. The point he was trying to make is that there needs to be more flexibility for women in the workplace.

            We can all act offended like he isn't giving women equal rights, but let's be real: Women are still the ones who do most of the childcare, housework, cooking, etc for the family. AND women are also working outside of the home.

            I think that flexibility is really important in the workplace. The women's movement was supposed to be about choice, and women are ending up shouldering not only the homefront but also the workplace now. I know that if I was able to get a good paying job outside of the home that allowed me to prioritize my family needs, I would not be doing daycare right now.

            The Obama campaign is making a huge effort to make Romney look like he doesnt care for womens rights, and that Romney's vision of women is outdated. Romney's state had some of the highest quantity of women in his staff than any other state. He is employing qualified women, AND providing them with flexibility to manage their homes as well. He is realistic about the needs of women in the workplace and on the home front.
            Well said.

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            • wahmof3
              Daycare.com Member
              • Oct 2011
              • 806

              #7
              Originally posted by SunshineMama
              In all fairness to Romney, he wasn't saying that women are in charge of making dinner and taking care of the kids. The point he was trying to make is that there needs to be more flexibility for women in the workplace.

              We can all act offended like he isn't giving women equal rights, but let's be real: Women are still the ones who do most of the childcare, housework, cooking, etc for the family. AND women are also working outside of the home.

              I think that flexibility is really important in the workplace. The women's movement was supposed to be about choice, and women are ending up shouldering not only the homefront but also the workplace now. I know that if I was able to get a good paying job outside of the home that allowed me to prioritize my family needs, I would not be doing daycare right now.

              The Obama campaign is making a huge effort to make Romney look like he doesnt care for womens rights, and that Romney's vision of women is outdated. Romney's state had some of the highest quantity of women in his staff than any other state. He is employing qualified women, AND providing them with flexibility to manage their homes as well. He is realistic about the needs of women in the workplace and on the home front.
              Amen to this!!!!

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              • SunflowerMama
                Advanced Daycare.com Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 1113

                #8
                Originally posted by SunshineMama
                In all fairness to Romney, he wasn't saying that women are in charge of making dinner and taking care of the kids. The point he was trying to make is that there needs to be more flexibility for women in the workplace.

                We can all act offended like he isn't giving women equal rights, but let's be real: Women are still the ones who do most of the childcare, housework, cooking, etc for the family. AND women are also working outside of the home.

                I think that flexibility is really important in the workplace. The women's movement was supposed to be about choice, and women are ending up shouldering not only the homefront but also the workplace now. I know that if I was able to get a good paying job outside of the home that allowed me to prioritize my family needs, I would not be doing daycare right now.

                The Obama campaign is making a huge effort to make Romney look like he doesnt care for womens rights, and that Romney's vision of women is outdated. Romney's state had some of the highest quantity of women in his staff than any other state. He is employing qualified women, AND providing them with flexibility to manage their homes as well. He is realistic about the needs of women in the workplace and on the home front.
                I respectfully disagree. I think that Obama has proven his dedication and commitment to women and women's rights. In comparison both Romney and Ryan have made statements about, and voted on, issues that would in my opinon, force women to take a step back.

                He might have binders of women working for him and that's great but he can't say whether he supports the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act or the Paycheck Fairness Act.

                He wants to cut funding for Planned Parenthood which I personally used in college for a multitude of services beyond contraception. He and Ryan both supported a bill that would make abortions, even in the case of rape or incest, illegal. Ryan also co-sponsored extreme “personhood” legislation that would ban all abortions and some common forms of birth control, and also co-sponsored legislation to redefine rape. Romney also supports the Blunt-Rubio amendment, which would let employers make decisions about which women’s health services they wanted to cover, which could limit women’s access to birth control, the HPV vaccine, and even cancer screenings. Ryan supported similar legislation in Congress.

                I just think Romney and Ryan are way out of the mainstream on women’s health. With a disconnect there I think it would be hard to argue that their personal thinking and political support would be much different when it comes to women in the workplace.

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                • JenNJ
                  Advanced Daycare.com Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 1212

                  #9
                  But why can't Romney understand that flexibility to ALL workers is what is best for women and helps close that gap? I see a LOT of women with flex schedules now, which is great. But what a lot of women need is an equally flexible schedule for their partners so that they aren't doing it all alone.

                  Giving preferential treatment to women in the workforce isn't equality. Equality is fighting for reasonable labor laws for ALL workers, not just women. Paternity leave for men, without judgement; paid time off/flex schedules for men so that they can deal with family illness/emergencies/etc.; and moving past the boys club that is after hours networking. Understanding that kids need their fathers as much as they need their mothers. Not holding back any worker who values family above business.

                  That is what will shatter the glass ceiling. Equal working rights for both sexes.

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                  • crazydaycarelady
                    Not really crazy
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 1457

                    #10
                    I will vote for Romney but I am pretty sure Obama will win the election. Obama has run a smart campaign and has targeted college students, people getting a services, and he has the support of minorities. That adds up to a lot of people who want to keep the stauts quo.

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                    • SunflowerMama
                      Advanced Daycare.com Member
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 1113

                      #11
                      Originally posted by crazydaycarelady
                      I will vote for Romney but I am pretty sure Obama will win the election. Obama has run a smart campaign and has targeted college students, people getting a services, and he has the support of minorities. That adds up to a lot of people who want to keep the stauts quo.
                      The way you stated that, your group sounds a lot like the 47%. I think we need to be more compassionate as a country than to continue to make blanket statements about entire socio-ecomonic groups. Not all folks receiving assistance are abusing the system, not all minorities are democrats , and not all college students are so un-educated to the issues of the world that they'll just vote for the guy that promises them a free t-shirt.

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                      • Willow
                        Advanced Daycare.com Member
                        • May 2012
                        • 2683

                        #12
                        The only "support" Obama has offered women specifically is to make copious amounts of birth control available to everyone for free.

                        And if one wants to call that "support" I suppose it's their prerogative but I fail to see how the definition of the word applies here.


                        I realize some women think free access to abortion for any reason and at any point is some sort of awesome feat Obama accomplished in the name of women (last I checked Roe v. Wade had nothing to do with him). I also realize many people in general think access to birth control and abortion is some sort of progress on the gender equality front.

                        I'm sorry but I fail to see it that way.

                        A woman aborting a baby is a heck of a lot cheaper and a heck of a lot more convenient for businesses and our government in general than supporting a woman who goes through a pregnancy, and then has a raises a child.

                        Abortion is the easy way out. Biden himself has voiced his approval for China's one child per family law. Theirs is an administration who does NOT support family. They support the opposite of family.

                        They've done nothing to support PREGNANT women. They've done nothing to support NEW MOTHERS.They've done nothing to support NEW FATHERS so that they in turn can help out those new mothers. They've done nothing to support families who WANT children and to grow their families.

                        They've done the opposite in fact landing more breadwinners out of work and throwing millions of people under the poverty line. More women than EVER before now live under the poverty line. More families than ever struggling just to keep a roof over their heads and foods in their stomachs.

                        I don't understand how people can say their support of terminating life has anything to do with supporting women's rights or families.

                        (on a side note a lot of good Obamacare will do if women can't afford to eat .....)





                        I was impressed that Romney ACTUALLY answered the question about what he would DO, as opposed to deflecting off onto a topic that has nothing to do with the question like Obama did.

                        Did anyone catch that the woman that posed that question was shaking ROMNEY'S hand at the end and was refusing to even make eye contact with Obama? I knew exactly where her head had gone, mine went there too. It was also obvious that her undecided vote was no longer undecided.....



                        Although I am not a fan of any sort of targeted recruiting of any kind at least Romney has shown a genuine and valid effort when it comes to trying to better meet the needs of women specifically in the work force.

                        His comments about making sure those women could get home and tend to their families were imho, realistic. Like it or not, choose to acknowledge it or not, the pull to directly care for the children in a family IS typically much stronger for women that it is for men. This goes back to very basic evolutionary principles. Things between women and men in this regard will ALWAYS be different and "fair" will always be subjective. My husband can't end up the pregnant one, is that "fair?" He can't breastfeed, is that "fair?" If my instincts are to nurture and his are to provide, is that "fair?"

                        Government cannot and will not ever be able to equalize biology. Why some seem hell bent on trying is beyond my comprehension.

                        If my husband wants to be home at 5 to take care of the kids as Romney commented to then sure, he should have that right and ability to. But if more moms feel that pull and some one in a position of political power wants to recognize the fact then I think that's a valid and ACTUAL gain for women and who they inherently are driven to be.



                        Obama stumbled and stuttered through most of his responses and he often went off on terribly irrelevant bird walks.

                        I had to bust out a bottle of wine about half way through because I was genuinely getting irritated by his refusal to actually answer any of the questions asked of him by the undecided voters.

                        The thing that stuck with me most is his insistence that if re-elected he was "going to do" this that and the other......I cannot buy that someone who had ample opportunity to do this, that and the other, but who chose not to for FOUR YEARS, is all of a sudden going to change their status quo.

                        Can he not see why people are so doubtful of his intentions?



                        Especially after he said if he didn't accomplish this, that and the other within his first term that he promised he would never seek another?

                        And then went back on his word regarding that too?

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                        • Cat Herder
                          Advanced Daycare.com Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 13744

                          #13
                          Originally posted by JenNJ
                          But why can't Romney understand that flexibility to ALL workers is what is best for women and helps close that gap? I see a LOT of women with flex schedules now, which is great. But what a lot of women need is an equally flexible schedule for their partners so that they aren't doing it all alone.

                          Giving preferential treatment to women in the workforce isn't equality. Equality is fighting for reasonable labor laws for ALL workers, not just women. Paternity leave for men, without judgement; paid time off/flex schedules for men so that they can deal with family illness/emergencies/etc.; and moving past the boys club that is after hours networking. Understanding that kids need their fathers as much as they need their mothers. Not holding back any worker who values family above business.

                          That is what will shatter the glass ceiling. Equal working rights for both sexes.


                          I'd love to hear his daughter-in-laws take of his views in 10 years.
                          - Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.

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                          • SunflowerMama
                            Advanced Daycare.com Member
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 1113

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Willow
                            The only "support" Obama has offered women specifically is to make copious amounts of birth control available to everyone for free.

                            And if one wants to call that "support" I suppose it's their prerogative but I fail to see how the definition of the word applies here.


                            I realize some women think free access to abortion for any reason and at any point is some sort of awesome feat Obama accomplished in the name of women (last I checked Roe v. Wade had nothing to do with him). I also realize many people in general think access to birth control and abortion is some sort of progress on the gender equality front.

                            I'm sorry but I fail to see it that way.

                            A woman aborting a baby is a heck of a lot cheaper and a heck of a lot more convenient for businesses and our government in general than supporting a woman who goes through a pregnancy, and then has a raises a child.

                            Abortion is the easy way out. Biden himself has voiced his approval for China's one child per family law. Theirs is an administration who does NOT support family. They support the opposite of family.

                            They've done nothing to support PREGNANT women. They've done nothing to support NEW MOTHERS.They've done nothing to support NEW FATHERS so that they in turn can help out those new mothers. They've done nothing to support families who WANT children and to grow their families.

                            They've done the opposite in fact landing more breadwinners out of work and throwing millions of people under the poverty line. More women than EVER before now live under the poverty line. More families than ever struggling just to keep a roof over their heads and foods in their stomachs.

                            I don't understand how people can say their support of terminating life has anything to do with supporting women's rights or families.

                            (on a side note a lot of good Obamacare will do if women can't afford to eat .....)
                            Why is it that when a discussion of women's health arises, do those opposed to the Obama administration park and sit on abortion and bc? It's about more than that.

                            I personally cannot get pregnant due to a birth defect but can and did have 2children via a gestational carrier using IVF. I have my 2 gorgeous daughters by a fertility procedure not supported by Ryan himself, he even co-sponsored a bill that would make some fertility procedures including IVF illegal. Even though I have never needed contraception and cannot get pregnant I totally support a women's right to choose.

                            You mentioned Obama hasn't done anything to support the pregnant women, new mother and father but The Affordable Care Act has done quite a bit for that group. Among other benefits the ACA actually prohibits insurance companies from charging women higher premiums than men for the same insurance coverage and from denying women health coverage for such "preexisting conditions" as breast cancer, pregnancy and domestic violence.

                            And for those struggling financially it also added no cost coverage for annual well visits, screening for diabetes, testing for HPV, counseling for STDs, counseling and screening for HIV, contraceptive methods and counseling, breastfeeding support, supplies and counseling, counseling and screening for domestic and interpersonal violence.

                            20.4 million women have already taken advantage of and received no-cost coverage of other preventive services under the Affordable Care Act.

                            So even though people against Obama and Obamacare want to harp on abortion it's much more and offers much more.

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                            • kathiemarie
                              Daycare.com Member
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 540

                              #15
                              Originally posted by SunshineMama
                              In all fairness to Romney, he wasn't saying that women are in charge of making dinner and taking care of the kids. The point he was trying to make is that there needs to be more flexibility for women in the workplace.

                              We can all act offended like he isn't giving women equal rights, but let's be real: Women are still the ones who do most of the childcare, housework, cooking, etc for the family. AND women are also working outside of the home.

                              I think that flexibility is really important in the workplace. The women's movement was supposed to be about choice, and women are ending up shouldering not only the homefront but also the workplace now. I know that if I was able to get a good paying job outside of the home that allowed me to prioritize my family needs, I would not be doing daycare right now.

                              The Obama campaign is making a huge effort to make Romney look like he doesnt care for womens rights, and that Romney's vision of women is outdated. Romney's state had some of the highest quantity of women in his staff than any other state. He is employing qualified women, AND providing them with flexibility to manage their homes as well. He is realistic about the needs of women in the workplace and on the home front.
                              Yes! This is what I think too!!

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