An Odd Question

[Unregistered]

Hi everyone,
I am wondering if there is any kind of requirement for licensed daycare centers to have certified restraint-trained personnel on staff in the event of a possible aggressive/violent behavioral situation? I live in MetroWest MA, and my niece is experiencing this situation at the moment. She is looking for a center that provides such personnel. Does anyone know of anyplace like this, or if you have every heard of a situation like this?

Thanks!

[Michael]

That sounds odd. I wouldn't think so.

[QualiTcare]

i've heard of a big leather belt with holes drilled into it.

[Chickenhauler]

I know in MN there is no requirement for restraint/hog tie training for a daycare license.

But, I'm pretty good with a lasso and can bind a calf pretty easily, kid can't be that much harder-they don't run near as fast!

Serioiusly, I think you'd have to shop around for a provider who specializes in behavior problem children. And that won't be cheap, either.

[Unregistered]

I guess only public schools are required to have the training starting in pre-school. That's too bad, but I'm sure it would be expensive for the provider (training-wise), as well as the parents, for the daycare to have that kind of staff available. Thanks for the replies (however, I am a bit concerned about the leather belt with holes comment).

[booroo]

Hi everyone,
I am wondering if there is any kind of requirement for licensed daycare centers to have certified restraint-trained personnel on staff in the event of a possible aggressive/violent behavioral situation? I live in MetroWest MA, and my niece is experiencing this situation at the moment. She is looking for a center that provides such personnel. Does anyone know of anyplace like this, or if you have every heard of a situation like this?

Thanks!

ummmm this is daycare not the pysco ward if a mental hospital!!

[AmandasFCC]

I think in the case of a child who is known to need to be restrained the child would need to come with a support worker. In my area, daycares are not permitted to restrain a child.

[QualiTcare]

I guess only public schools are required to have the training starting in pre-school. That's too bad, but I'm sure it would be expensive for the provider (training-wise), as well as the parents, for the daycare to have that kind of staff available. Thanks for the replies (however, I am a bit concerned about the leather belt with holes comment).

don't be concerned. i was kidding about the holes - a regular belt should work just fine.

the child is too young to have been diagnosed with any "disorder" and it sounds like a behavior problem to me. a daycare age child having violent outbursts should be able to be fixed pretty quick - usually before it starts.

[Chickenhauler]

I guess only public schools are required to have the training starting in pre-school. That's too bad, but I'm sure it would be expensive for the provider (training-wise), as well as the parents, for the daycare to have that kind of staff available. Thanks for the replies (however, I am a bit concerned about the leather belt with holes comment).

Not only the training, but the equipment too, cuz I'm sure that duct tape is not an approved restraint device.

I'm unsure about the requirements for public schools having a restraint trained person on staff, but keep in mind you're comparing a daycare (usually one person operation) with a school setting, which normally has a staff of 50 or more people.

[professionalmom]

ummmm this is daycare not the pysco ward if a mental hospital!!

So true. But there are times you have to wonder ...

[nannyde]

Not only the training, but the equipment too, cuz I'm sure that duct tape is not an approved restraint device.

I'm unsure about the requirements for public schools having a restraint trained person on staff, but keep in mind you're comparing a daycare (usually one person operation) with a school setting, which normally has a staff of 50 or more people.

I do see this as something that will end up being required for home day care. As children become out of control at a younger and younger age and the discipline techniques that are allowed become kindler and gentler we are going to see more and more kids becoming violent at a younger age.

When explosive children are injured simply by the resistant force that an adult HAS to provide to keep them from harming themselves, others, and property the result will be requiring us to get trained to restrain without harming.

Right now in my State MAT training is required for wannabe foster care parents.

I think if we surveyed providers both center and home all over the country and asked them: Are children becoming more violent at a younger age, is it the same, or is it less? I think the overwhelming answer would be MORE violent at a YOUNGER age.

Once the parent, child, and provider are not the only ones involved in the outcomes of violent little kids... meaning the other parents, other kids, and insurers... When the State is having to use it's resources to evaluate whether or not an injury to the violent child was an act of aggression or protection for the provider.. THEN we will see required training and possibly even restraint equipment.

[judytrickett]

I think if we surveyed providers both center and home all over the country and asked them: Are children becoming more violent at a younger age, is it the same, or is it less? I think the overwhelming answer would be MORE violent at a YOUNGER age.

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I completely agree. Kids ARE becoming more violent at a younger age simply because they have not been forced to develop self control and appropriate methods to deal with aggression. One of the biggies is that we are raising kids who think that THEY should be number one ALL the time. And when you have five or more kids who think the entire Universe is there soley to serve them and what they want then somebody, somewhere is gonna get hurt.

I find it VERY interesting that the kids who are disciplined least often and least severely are also, IME, the most violent of all the kids.

[QualiTcare]

I guess only public schools are required to have the training starting in pre-school. That's too bad, but I'm sure it would be expensive for the provider (training-wise), as well as the parents, for the daycare to have that kind of staff available. Thanks for the replies (however, I am a bit concerned about the leather belt with holes comment).

public teachers aren't even required to have restraint training btw. hell, you get a lawsuit for hugging a kid - sure as hell wouldnt try to hold one down/back/whatever.

i do know they won't put up with violent outbursts so the kid is headed for special ed. unless it gets put under control.

[professionalmom]

public teachers aren't even required to have restraint training btw. hell, you get a lawsuit for hugging a kid - sure as hell wouldnt try to hold one down/back/whatever.

i do know they won't put up with violent outbursts so the kid is headed for special ed. unless it gets put under control.

UGH!! This just gets under my skin and makes me want to scream! Not at you, just the whole situation. It is so true that with all the limitations being put on discipline, we are creating very young, very violent children. Then when they get to school, they get labeled and put on medication (DRUGS!). There is nothing wrong with many of these children (I said many, not all. Obviously some do have legit problems). They are just kids. They merely need to be taught how to control their thoughts, behaviors, and emotions, rather than letting their emotions controlling them. I hate the fact that we took a legitimate social concern (child abuse) to such an extreme that we are now afraid to touch a child for fear of being accused of something. So we have the patients running the asylum. I am not talking about all children, just the ones that have absolutely NO discipline or structure at home, which is a heck of a lot more than I would have ever thought prior to doing daycare. Now the concern is not just about physical abuse, it's about emotional abuse. They are even taking the title of "valedictorian" out of schools because "it might make the others feel inferior". So we are supposed to be so overwhelmingly terrified of hurting a child's feelings, but then put them on drugs to get them to sit still. I can't even express how much worse the "drugs" are than simply putting your foot down and saying NO once in a while. I feel like John Stossel "give me a break". And whatever happened to "Just Say No" to drugs. How can we tell kids to "say no" to drugs WHILE we are pushing pills down there throats? Talk about mixed messages!

[judytrickett]

UGH!! This just gets under my skin and makes me want to scream! Not at you, just the whole situation. It is so true that with all the limitations being put on discipline, we are creating very young, very violent children. Then when they get to school, they get labeled and put on medication (DRUGS!). There is nothing wrong with many of these children (I said many, not all. Obviously some do have legit problems). They are just kids. They merely need to be taught how to control their thoughts, behaviors, and emotions, rather than letting their emotions controlling them. I hate the fact that we took a legitimate social concern (child abuse) to such an extreme that we are now afraid to touch a child for fear of being accused of something. So we have the patients running the asylum. I am not talking about all children, just the ones that have absolutely NO discipline or structure at home, which is a heck of a lot more than I would have ever thought prior to doing daycare. Now the concern is not just about physical abuse, it's about emotional abuse. They are even taking the title of "valedictorian" out of schools because "it might make the others feel inferior". So we are supposed to be so overwhelmingly terrified of hurting a child's feelings, but then put them on drugs to get them to sit still. I can't even express how much worse the "drugs" are than simply putting your foot down and saying NO once in a while. I feel like John Stossel "give me a break". And whatever happened to "Just Say No" to drugs. How can we tell kids to "say no" to drugs WHILE we are pushing pills down there throats? Talk about mixed messages!

LOVE this post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!