Disbelief Over Licensing Citation

[lolaland]

All this that I read above makes me rethink my career option. We endure so many demands and are such easy targets!! This is a "minefield" we're walking on and no one will have our back when hell breaks loose!! 4 years in the business and I see the demands increasing every year! Time to move on to some other career!!

[My3cents]

all I can say is wow.

I have several two year old's and I use this method- it is more of a redirection then a time out. Separation and reflection.

Let her Sue you, if she was unhappy with your services she should have pulled the child a long time ago. She will not win that. Sounds money hungry.

I tell my parents, it was a ruff day we did a lot of time aways, or time outs. Some parents don't want to hear this at all, they think little susie can do no wrong. I am not about to reason with the unreasonable. This mother sounds like she is trying to make money off of you. After a couple of hours of this child I would have been calling the parent to pick up and then after three times of this, sorry it is not working out. I think little susie needs more then I can offer here, effective ASAP we are done.

Sorry your going through this. Everyone is giving you great advice here. Don't let this crush your spirits as a provider!!! I wonder if the pencil pushers have done any research on adult spirits being crushed Sorry children are smart and they don't learn from over coddling, they need a balance and clear direction of what is right and what is wrong.

From one provider to another it is our job to lift each other. You would think these people in charge or over us would do the same- I believe most do. You just got the bad apple-

Best- and please update us and don't loose hope and keep on doing what you do best.

[mom2many]

WOW! I cannot believe this situation...I'm in CA and agree that there are so many grey areas, but citing you for violating Title 22 for short 1 minute time outs is utterly ridiculous! I've talked to several Analysts over the years and discussed discipline with them and using this method has been approved by each and every one of them & no one has ever objected to it.

I'm so sorry you had such a horrible experience and I would definitely use Crystal's advice and contact the Childcare Advocate Agency. I wish I had known about them a few years ago! I ended up contacting the Manager, when I had an analyst behaving in a very unprofessional manner and insisted on a face to face meeting with him, the Analyst and her supervisor. I presented my grievance and wanted all parties present, so a resolution could be put in place. It helped and I was not harassed this individual anymore.

The supervisor should NEVER berate you in this manner and I would definitely address the inappropriate letter she sent to you to her superiors. I would definitely fight this and I thank you for posting, because it was an eye opener!

Hugs to you! Hang in there!lovethis

[mom2many]

[QUOTE=brightstarts;266200]I have a few thoughts/comments...

First, I wish I was in your state, because in NY, at least in centers, we CAN NOT use time out...actually, we can't say NO to a child at all. It's basically let them do what they want...I hate that! We can't even use a timer to indicate a turn is over, because a child shouldn't have to end their turn if they don't want to...yes, this is our government at work here!



Geez! This is unbelievable! At what age do they decide it's okay to tell a child "NO"! Is it okay once they are in school?!? :confused:
Or do they wait till they are adults and they have the police to answer to...

I can see some real issues with entitlement and being able to conform to a society where rules and laws regulate things with these kids growing up thinking they can do whatever/whenever they want. YIKES!!!!!

[sharlan]

I'm wondering if you called it something else, if that makes it okay? I had a child who would spit over everyone/everything and he wasn't quite 2. So if I could not be right with him, he went in the high chair. I gave him a toy or two, he wasn't isolated, but he couldn't spit on everyone while I made lunch...

Can't restrain a child in CA.

[mom2many]

Can't restrain a child in CA.

This is true! No high chairs, play pens, exersaucer, bouncy seats.......high chairs can only be used for eating & play pens for napping.

[rhymia1]

Can't restrain a child in CA.

We can't restrain anyone for behavioral purposes either, which is why I don't call it time out when they go in the high chair.
But in all seriousness, what are you supposed to do then, with a child who is behaving aggressively or spitting on people? Call the parents to come get them? Terminate?

[My3cents]

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I'm wondering if you called it something else, if that makes it okay? I had a child who would spit over everyone/everything and he wasn't quite 2. So if I could not be right with him, he went in the high chair. I gave him a toy or two, he wasn't isolated, but he couldn't spit on everyone while I made lunch...


Can't restrain a child in CA.
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I don't consider this restraining a child. I would call this redirection.

[daycare]

This is true! No high chairs, play pens, exersaucer, bouncy seats.......high chairs can only be used for eating & play pens for napping.

and painting... I use mine for painting for the littles...

I used to use my highchair for my own son because he refused to sit in a time out. Took only two times and it was over. But I never did it for DCK.

However, I do place them in the highchair to eat if they keep getting up from the table....

[daycare]

This is true! No high chairs, play pens, exersaucer, bouncy seats.......high chairs can only be used for eating & play pens for napping.

sorry to hijack the thread....why no play pens in CA??

[sharlan]

sorry to hijack the thread....why no play pens in CA??

Play pens = pack and play, for sleep only. Superyards are legal.

High chairs are for eating only.

[sharlan]

We can't restrain anyone for behavioral purposes either, which is why I don't call it time out when they go in the high chair.
But in all seriousness, what are you supposed to do then, with a child who is behaving aggressively or spitting on people? Call the parents to come get them? Terminate?

Give them a big hug and kiss, tell them what a wonderful child they are and move on. Don't dare hurt a child's feelings in CA, it's illegal. (Read with lots of sarcasm.)

[sharlan]

Back to OP, Crystal, as usual provided valuable info.

[daycare]

Play pens = pack and play, for sleep only. Superyards are legal.

High chairs are for eating only.

so I had a 2.5 year old that was throwing the biggest tantrum of her life a few months back and I needed a safe place to put her so she could not harm herself. I chose to put her in the pack-n-play, because I knew she would be safest there......was that wrong?

[mom2many]

so I had a 2.5 year old that was throwing the biggest tantrum of her life a few months back and I needed a safe place to put her so she could not harm herself. I chose to put her in the pack-n-play, because I knew she would be safest there......was that wrong?

When licensing was at my house a few months ago for an unannounced visit, I asked her specifically about the use of pack-n-plays...I had a 4 month old at the time in my care. She said, "They can only be used for napping and if they observe a provider leaving an infant or child in one to "play", they will cite them for a Title 22 violation, because it is considered "restraining"... even if the child is happy and they are given new toys to play with."

It is mind boggling to me though when you need to use one for a safety issue, as in the case you stated or if a provider must leave the room to care for another child and wants to insure that the mobile infant is kept safe from any harm.

I truly wonder what they would do themselves, if they were forced to follow their own rules themselves! :::::::::: Maybe then they would see how silly some of them are!