Unlicensed in Arizona

[Little People]

I just took my daughter out of a situation, where the lady was non licensed.

Some people can handle more kids better than others, this is true.

However the laws are put in place to protect us. Sadly, my now former sitter, didn't have a license. She still doesn't. She is watching about 15 kids a day, plus older kids when they are on intersession.

I don't know what goes on durning the day, but the alarms should have gone off, when my daughter was born, and the woman took 4 babies at the same time, plus she had older kids. I would see the bigger kids in time out all of the time, and just thought they were always into trouble.

Then it was my turn. At 1 1/2, my daughter crawled into a exersaucer, and the sitter made her stay there all day. I was mad and told her about it. Then she would break toys, and get put outside for time out. She would spend some days, outside for time out ALL DAY. My 3 year old got to where she actually enjoyed time out. Due to the emotional neglect, she would purposefully go to time out to avoid the care giver, or to avoid being picked on. She was the last kid standing when a fight errupted, and always took the brunt of it.

When this sitter had about 7 to 10 kids, they got more one on one attention. I agree though, it is hard to truley meet the emotional needs of kids as the numbers climb.

Why did you leave your child there so long?? And why would you leave your child somewhere where there was 15 children? And you said your daughter crawled into a exersaucer, and the sitter made her stay there all day and your where mad and told her about it AND YOU TOOK HER BACK?? WHY?? and WHY???

[dEHmom]

Does anyone know how to spell anymore? Seriously? Right click and hit the spell check button. A typo is one thing, but all the spelling errors are another story.

First, It is none of your business. Should you truly be concerned about the children's safety, you would have taken this to authorities, not to an internet forum.

Second, Her income is none of your business. If she chose to be open a day after giving birth, her choice. If she chose to be open 7 days a week for 10 hours a day, that's her choice!

Third, Her 2 oldest children are all school aged. They are not home during the day, therefore, she only has 3 of her own children in her care for the most part of the day. And possibly the 4 yo twins may be in some sort of part time schooling as well? Assuming you googled or did some form of a search to find daycare.com, you could have googled the Arizona daycare rules and regulations and found out that you are allowed to watch up to 5 children PAID, which does not include your own children. So she is not breaking any rules.

Finally, Every parent that drops off their kids at this woman's place, obviously know the situation, trust her completely, otherwise they wouldn't leave their child with her.

[Unregistered]

In Arizona, you can watch 4 children for compensation and be unlicensed. Your own children do not count in your ratio. If you watch 5 children for compensation, you must be licensed through the state. If you have 6 or more for compensation, you must have an additional licensed caregiver on the premises.

http://www.azdhs.gov/als/childcare/

Some of the information on this website is a little hard to find. If you want to be sure about anything....just call them!

[Little People]

Does anyone know how to spell anymore? Seriously? Right click and hit the spell check button. A typo is one thing, but all the spelling errors are another story.

First, It is none of your business. Should you truly be concerned about the children's safety, you would have taken this to authorities, not to an internet forum.

Second, Her income is none of your business. If she chose to be open a day after giving birth, her choice. If she chose to be open 7 days a week for 10 hours a day, that's her choice!

Third, Her 2 oldest children are all school aged. They are not home during the day, therefore, she only has 3 of her own children in her care for the most part of the day. And possibly the 4 yo twins may be in some sort of part time schooling as well? Assuming you googled or did some form of a search to find daycare.com, you could have googled the Arizona daycare rules and regulations and found out that you are allowed to watch up to 5 children PAID, which does not include your own children. So she is not breaking any rules.

Finally, Every parent that drops off their kids at this woman's place, obviously know the situation, trust her completely, otherwise they wouldn't leave their child with her.

Very well said!! AMEN!

[cillybean83]

nosey much?

[cillybean83]

ok so i just read the other posts...lady with the kid who crawled in the exercauser who took her kid to an unlicensed daycare that had 15 kids and you knew they were put outdoors for time out all day....yeah, about that...the provider should be in jail and your parental rights should be terminated...that's just messed up.

[Lucy]

Um, ladies..... this original thread is 2 1/2 yrs old. Just thought I'd point that out.

[Abigail]

I agree, some of these posts are TOO OLD and not very helpful at all. This is mostly an opinion thread, why can't these be deleted? I saw a few of these 2-years-old threads.

[cillybean83]

i did not realize that....DOH!

[dEHmom]

I think that even though the threads are old, it's ok for them to still be active.

Personally, I think for newer people, the old threads are still very useful.

I don't usually look at the dates. But if it pops up on unread I read it

[jen]

I just took my daughter out of a situation, where the lady was non licensed.

Some people can handle more kids better than others, this is true.

However the laws are put in place to protect us. Sadly, my now former sitter, didn't have a license. She still doesn't. She is watching about 15 kids a day, plus older kids when they are on intersession.

I don't know what goes on durning the day, but the alarms should have gone off, when my daughter was born, and the woman took 4 babies at the same time, plus she had older kids. I would see the bigger kids in time out all of the time, and just thought they were always into trouble.

Then it was my turn. At 1 1/2, my daughter crawled into a exersaucer, and the sitter made her stay there all day. I was mad and told her about it. Then she would break toys, and get put outside for time out. She would spend some days, outside for time out ALL DAY. My 3 year old got to where she actually enjoyed time out. Due to the emotional neglect, she would purposefully go to time out to avoid the care giver, or to avoid being picked on. She was the last kid standing when a fight errupted, and always took the brunt of it.

When this sitter had about 7 to 10 kids, they got more one on one attention. I agree though, it is hard to truley meet the emotional needs of kids as the numbers climb.

The original was old...but this piece of work is new...

[Unregistered]

Do you know why she watches unlicensed?

**Mind your own business!!! You claim to be a Christian attending church, but you sure are judgmental!! I didn't realize God was hiring out his job. Offer to help rather than bitch about it!!
I watch 7-9 kids unlicensed in Arizona, with the help of my mother, but not everyday, and I have 2 children of my own. I looked into licensing and licensing did NOTHING to change the way I care for the children or run my home daycare, all my parents know I am not licensed and it doesn't bother them one bit. I run my in home daycare as if I were licensed keeping up on all trainings currently offered. Only benefit I got from licensed was reimbursement for food and thats it. If I didn't have my mothers help I could have NO More than 5 children and at $30 a day that doesn't pay my bills. So before you take God's job of judegment, offer to help!!!
I think someone is jealous of her neighbor being such a stellar mom to not only hold her own family together, but also care for other children, plus have a heart to go work a few overnights for the elderly. Sounds to me like God has gifted this lady you complain about with some serious strength and ability to juggle much. Maybe something you lack and are jealous of so you all complain about her and think shes endangering the children.

[Valerie928]

**Mind your own business!!! You claim to be a Christian attending church, but you sure are judgmental!! I didn't realize God was hiring out his job. Offer to help rather than bitch about it!!
I watch 7-9 kids unlicensed in Arizona, with the help of my mother, but not everyday, and I have 2 children of my own. I looked into licensing and licensing did NOTHING to change the way I care for the children or run my home daycare, all my parents know I am not licensed and it doesn't bother them one bit. I run my in home daycare as if I were licensed keeping up on all trainings currently offered. Only benefit I got from licensed was reimbursement for food and thats it. If I didn't have my mothers help I could have NO More than 5 children and at $30 a day that doesn't pay my bills. So before you take God's job of judegment, offer to help!!!
I think someone is jealous of her neighbor being such a stellar mom to not only hold her own family together, but also care for other children, plus have a heart to go work a few overnights for the elderly. Sounds to me like God has gifted this lady you complain about with some serious strength and ability to juggle much. Maybe something you lack and are jealous of so you all complain about her and think shes endangering the children.

I know that being in quarantine is boring but you need to seriously find something else to do. Coming on to a forum unregistered to reply to things that were done over a decade ago is really bizarre.

[Cat Herder]

**Mind your own business!!! You claim to be a Christian attending church, but you sure are judgmental!! I didn't realize God was hiring out his job. Offer to help rather than bitch about it!!
I watch 7-9 kids unlicensed in Arizona, with the help of my mother, but not everyday, and I have 2 children of my own. I looked into licensing and licensing did NOTHING to change the way I care for the children or run my home daycare, all my parents know I am not licensed and it doesn't bother them one bit. I run my in home daycare as if I were licensed keeping up on all trainings currently offered. Only benefit I got from licensed was reimbursement for food and thats it. If I didn't have my mothers help I could have NO More than 5 children and at $30 a day that doesn't pay my bills. So before you take God's job of judegment, offer to help!!!
I think someone is jealous of her neighbor being such a stellar mom to not only hold her own family together, but also care for other children, plus have a heart to go work a few overnights for the elderly. Sounds to me like God has gifted this lady you complain about with some serious strength and ability to juggle much. Maybe something you lack and are jealous of so you all complain about her and think shes endangering the children.

You are responding to a post from 2008. There is a difference in illegal providers and legally unlicensed providers.

If you are operating illegally, someone will turn you in. We are legally required as mandated reporters. It isn't personal like you seem to be making it. If you are operating legally then you should have no problem.

[Blackcat31]

**Mind your own business!!! You claim to be a Christian attending church, but you sure are judgmental!! I didn't realize God was hiring out his job. Offer to help rather than bitch about it!!
I watch 7-9 kids unlicensed in Arizona, with the help of my mother, but not everyday, and I have 2 children of my own. I looked into licensing and licensing did NOTHING to change the way I care for the children or run my home daycare, all my parents know I am not licensed and it doesn't bother them one bit. I run my in home daycare as if I were licensed keeping up on all trainings currently offered. Only benefit I got from licensed was reimbursement for food and thats it. If I didn't have my mothers help I could have NO More than 5 children and at $30 a day that doesn't pay my bills. So before you take God's job of judegment, offer to help!!!
I think someone is jealous of her neighbor being such a stellar mom to not only hold her own family together, but also care for other children, plus have a heart to go work a few overnights for the elderly. Sounds to me like God has gifted this lady you complain about with some serious strength and ability to juggle much. Maybe something you lack and are jealous of so you all complain about her and think shes endangering the children.

I love how you use God to judge someone for judging someone else.... The irony is just too much!

The ways in which posters justify breaking the law is hysterical.

I pray to God a child is never injured in your care IF you are operating illegally.
Those parents that don't care...will care then. And that's a fact not a judgement.