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  • SunshineMama
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 1575

    Look At My Group- Who Would You Term To Lower #'S To Go On Trips?

    I am sick of being stuck at home and I want to do what is necessary to be able to go places during the day as easily as possible.

    Background:
    Kids ages: 1, 1, 3, 3, 4, 4... The 3 year olds are twins and cannot be trusted to stay with the group. The 4 year olds will be fine with whatever we do- and of course the 1 year olds require lots. My kids are included (1 and 3).

    My car only accommodates 5.

    How can I get out of the house more? I want to lessen my numbers. My family and I can afford to lose 1 child, and can make it by with losing 2, but we struggle when we lose 2 so I really only want to let one go if possible but I am open to your suggestions.

    Ok so here are the kids: which one would you keep/drop and why??


    The 3 year old twins are only here 8 months out of the year It makes the most sense to drop them but I need the money right now (they pay the most per child per week since everyone else is getting a family and friends discount- stupid to offer a discount, I learned that- first year mistake). They JUST came back from break. I suppose it works out that they pay less over time bc they dont pay the 4 months they are gone (also stupid on my part.) The parents always pay on time, direct to my bank account. The parents are super respectful, and always keep their kids home sick. Their kids are high maintenence however, and since they have been back the dynamic has been off and my days have been more difficult. But the extra $375 per week I get for the two of them is so awesome now, considering I didnt have it for the past 4 months. I can finally replenish my savings account.

    If I drop the other 1 year old then I am dropping a family friend, and a relatively easy to care for child. The parents buy me gifts for holidays, always pay on time, and are generally respectful of me and my family. The child is a non-walker, which does make outdoor play frustrating, and I have to tote him everywhere, but that will change. However, he is sick all the time, and the parents bring him sick. This is a very frustrating thing for me to deal with because, until 2 weeks ago, he was sick every week with either snot or diaharrea.

    The other 4 year old listens and behaves very well. When he is around, the group acts better as a whole. He is creative, fun, and is really an asset- one of those kids that, when he isnt there, the other kids act up from boredom. He is great. I never have to put him in time out, and he prides himself on following the rules. He is 99.9% perfect. However, he is not potty trained, which is irritating since he is 4, refuses to try, and his mom never pays on time (single mom but dad is in the picture). She does always pay during the week at some point, but it is always late. She is also flaky with letting me know the schedule, and is consistently 15 minutes late daily. The dad sometimes comes to pick him up in the middle of naptime, which always causes a stir, as it is unanounced most of the time. grrr. They also pay $125 a month less than the other kids. I put up with mom and dad because he makes THAT much of a difference to the group.

    So who would you drop? And the second question: How do you control all of those children during an outing? The 3 year olds bolt in different directions for some reason. The babies can go in a double stroller and the 4's can walk.

    I am stir crazy right now and not feeling super about my job. Just so sick of too many other things to mention right now but I have to have a change.
  • SunshineMama
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 1575

    #2
    Sorry for the long post, btw. I am looking for other's perspectives, and those who have been doing this longer than me. I have to keep my sanity.

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    • daycare
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      • Feb 2011
      • 16259

      #3
      I go on outing 3-4 times a week with 6 kids.

      However, because I do this, I don't take any children under the age of 20 months. I need children who can walk and keep up with the group. All of my kids do a fantastic job. I get compliments every where we go.

      If I were you, just looking at it from a realistic point of view, I would let go of the 1 year old. They require so much more help and assistance. They may be easy to detain right now, but in a few months, not so much.

      If I were you, I would start off somewhere really easy. Maybe practice taking a walk around the block. Well, if you live on a safe street with no or little traffic.

      Teach them how to walk in a line. We do the train. Pick a child to be the engine in the front, caboose in the back. We pump our arms and blow our whistle. Then we walk. I teach the kids stay behind your friend, stop when I say stop. If they don't listen, we go back into the house. It took me doing it one time and they have never done it again. Because I do have a huge age gap, I team up my little one with a 4 year old. Usually its my son. We usually always have a great and fun time when we go out. I use a lot of red light green light with the kids to control their walking. I even made cute signs.

      When I get a new kid, we have to scale back on our field trips and train the child how we do it, so that I know what I am dealing with.

      I know how you feel. being stuck inside is not only bad for us, but the kids too. Even if you just get out to the park or a nice walk, it really does change their mood.

      I know you said that the 1 year old is a family friend, is that baby full time? if not maybe you can go on a day when the baby is not there. I also do this too when I have a pt kid or they are new.

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      • Blackcat31
        • Oct 2010
        • 36124

        #4
        Have you considered hiring an assistant?

        I think that would be the most ideal solution. Also as far as safety goes and lessening your stress, an assistant would be the best way to go IMHO.

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        • SunshineMama
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Jan 2012
          • 1575

          #5
          Originally posted by daycare
          I go on outing 3-4 times a week with 6 kids.

          However, because I do this, I don't take any children under the age of 20 months. I need children who can walk and keep up with the group. All of my kids do a fantastic job. I get compliments every where we go.

          If I were you, just looking at it from a realistic point of view, I would let go of the 1 year old. They require so much more help and assistance. They may be easy to detain right now, but in a few months, not so much.

          If I were you, I would start off somewhere really easy. Maybe practice taking a walk around the block. Well, if you live on a safe street with no or little traffic.

          Teach them how to walk in a line. We do the train. Pick a child to be the engine in the front, caboose in the back. We pump our arms and blow our whistle. Then we walk. I teach the kids stay behind your friend, stop when I say stop. If they don't listen, we go back into the house. It took me doing it one time and they have never done it again. Because I do have a huge age gap, I team up my little one with a 4 year old. Usually its my son. We usually always have a great and fun time when we go out. I use a lot of red light green light with the kids to control their walking. I even made cute signs.

          When I get a new kid, we have to scale back on our field trips and train the child how we do it, so that I know what I am dealing with.

          I know how you feel. being stuck inside is not only bad for us, but the kids too. Even if you just get out to the park or a nice walk, it really does change their mood.

          I know you said that the 1 year old is a family friend, is that baby full time? if not maybe you can go on a day when the baby is not there. I also do this too when I have a pt kid or they are new.
          Thanks- yes, the other 1 year old is a family friend, but realistically it probably is best that I let him go. His parents want to have another baby soon anyway, and I am not going to take another child (would be over ratio, and I dont want to care for a newborn).

          It is very encouraging that you can manage all of the kids. Maybe we will take a walk today around the block for some practice. I really want to go to the science centers, etc.

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          • daycare
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            • Feb 2011
            • 16259

            #6
            Originally posted by SunshineMama
            Thanks- yes, the other 1 year old is a family friend, but realistically it probably is best that I let him go. His parents want to have another baby soon anyway, and I am not going to take another child (would be over ratio, and I dont want to care for a newborn).

            It is very encouraging that you can manage all of the kids. Maybe we will take a walk today around the block for some practice. I really want to go to the science centers, etc.
            as cat said, could you find someone to go with you? Even a parent to helpout?

            When I go to the big places, like the museum, I take my husband with me. Too many people there and I could lose a kid fast, so I don't do big places like that solo.

            If my husband is not around, I will ask a DCP. I always get at least one yes, if not, then I postpone it. I then buy the parents lunch that day for their help. Sometimes and most often they will say no and buy me lunch.....

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            • MrsB
              Daycare.com Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 589

              #7
              For the 3 yr olds have you tried tethers to their wrists until they can follow the rules of not running off?

              Practice with walks around your neighborhood. I have a 4 yr old that was a runner when he first started too. We would practice out in our neighborhood. As soon as he would let go of his ring, he would have to sit in the stroller and we would go back home, me telling him we will try again tomorrow. After about 4 days and the other kids reminding him, we made it for a full hour walk and he was very aware of his reactions to exciting things, no bolting. Then we got to graduate to the zoo!

              If you are serious about terming someone. I would advertise a full time spot and when you do have someone. Term the 3's.

              As for them only paying 8 months out of the year. Just because you originally had them that way doesnt mean you cant change their contract to now pay 1/2 for the time off, or offer a part time rate for 2 days a week or something.

              Although, I dont recommend changing 10 policies all at once, there is nothing that says it can't change.

              I am a outing type of person too! I love it. I am so glad I am not bound by licensing as far as traveling.

              Last May I finally got a van so I could take 7! And I absolutely love it!

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              • SunshineMama
                Advanced Daycare.com Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 1575

                #8
                Originally posted by Blackcat31
                Have you considered hiring an assistant?

                I think that would be the most ideal solution. Also as far as safety goes and lessening your stress, an assistant would be the best way to go IMHO.
                I have thought about hiring an assistant. I posted the other day about my friend who wants to come over all the time- the other day she said that she "needs" to come over at least 2 times a week so her daughter can socialize I am considering letting her come over with her kids, and me taking my two daughters somewhere during that time so we can get out of the house. The other parents love my friend and she is friends with 2 of them, so there isnt an issue there. Just concerned about a friend as an assistant, but then I would also be concerned about hiring someone I didnt know.

                In the past I have always taken a friend with me when we leave the house to go to the zoo, etc, but I have only gone on 2-3 trips maybe the whole time I have done this, and never with all 6. I want to go at least 1 time a week somewhere.

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                • daycare
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                  • Feb 2011
                  • 16259

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SunshineMama
                  I have thought about hiring an assistant. I posted the other day about my friend who wants to come over all the time- the other day she said that she "needs" to come over at least 2 times a week so her daughter can socialize I am considering letting her come over with her kids, and me taking my two daughters somewhere during that time so we can get out of the house. The other parents love my friend and she is friends with 2 of them, so there isnt an issue there. Just concerned about a friend as an assistant, but then I would also be concerned about hiring someone I didnt know.

                  In the past I have always taken a friend with me when we leave the house to go to the zoo, etc, but I have only gone on 2-3 trips maybe the whole time I have done this, and never with all 6. I want to go at least 1 time a week somewhere.
                  Make it a win situation for your friend like a co-op. the daughter gets to come and hang out and mom gets to help you out on FTs.

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                  • Blackcat31
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 36124

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SunshineMama
                    I have thought about hiring an assistant. I posted the other day about my friend who wants to come over all the time- the other day she said that she "needs" to come over at least 2 times a week so her daughter can socialize I am considering letting her come over with her kids, and me taking my two daughters somewhere during that time so we can get out of the house. The other parents love my friend and she is friends with 2 of them, so there isnt an issue there. Just concerned about a friend as an assistant, but then I would also be concerned about hiring someone I didnt know.

                    In the past I have always taken a friend with me when we leave the house to go to the zoo, etc, but I have only gone on 2-3 trips maybe the whole time I have done this, and never with all 6. I want to go at least 1 time a week somewhere.
                    Originally posted by daycare
                    Make it a win situation for your friend like a co-op. the daughter gets to come and hang out and mom gets to help you out on FTs.
                    Maybe eliminating the whole "employer/employee" situation and do it as a trade such as Daycare said would eliminate any of the normal pitfalls that happen when hiring or working for family and friends....

                    friend gets socialization and companionship for herself and her DD and you get an extra set of hands and some adult conversations as well as an additional adult "just in case". win-win.

                    worst case scenario, if it doesn't work out you can practice having to use your backbone with a friend..... a super tough but necessary skill

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                    • SunshineMama
                      Advanced Daycare.com Member
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 1575

                      #11
                      Originally posted by daycare
                      Make it a win situation for your friend like a co-op. the daughter gets to come and hang out and mom gets to help you out on FTs.
                      That is a good idea! I think that I am going to propose that idea.

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                      • SilverSabre25
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 7585

                        #12
                        I vote either drop the always-sick 1 yo or let your friend come with you.

                        AFAIK, in our state, the regulations for our type of daycare are worded such that you won't count as over ratio if your friend's children are along and *she* is there to watch them.

                        Option C would be to drop the other 1 yo AND let your friend come along. That might be your best bet...family friend or not, the 1 yo sounds like a pain.
                        Hee hee! Look, I have a signature!

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                        • SunshineMama
                          Advanced Daycare.com Member
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 1575

                          #13
                          Originally posted by SilverSabre25
                          I vote either drop the always-sick 1 yo or let your friend come with you.

                          AFAIK, in our state, the regulations for our type of daycare are worded such that you won't count as over ratio if your friend's children are along and *she* is there to watch them.

                          Option C would be to drop the other 1 yo AND let your friend come along. That might be your best bet...family friend or not, the 1 yo sounds like a pain.
                          Good to know about our state! So as long as she is around then us having a group of 8 wouldnt put me over ratio because she is there caring for her own kids. (If I understand you correctly). I like it!

                          Option C might preserve my sanity this summer. It is a bummer having an extra, non-mobile 1 year old who is constantly sick and still on the bottle. I have been tempted to term him ever since he started for various reasons. It's crazy how just 1 extra kid can change the entire dynamic.

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                          • SilverSabre25
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 7585

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SunshineMama
                            Good to know about our state! So as long as she is around then us having a group of 8 wouldnt put me over ratio because she is there caring for her own kids. (If I understand you correctly). I like it!

                            Option C might preserve my sanity this summer. It is a bummer having an extra, non-mobile 1 year old who is constantly sick and still on the bottle. I have been tempted to term him ever since he started for various reasons. It's crazy how just 1 extra kid can change the entire dynamic.
                            Yeah you understand me right; since she's caring for her own kids you won't be over ratio.
                            Hee hee! Look, I have a signature!

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                            • SunshineMama
                              Advanced Daycare.com Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 1575

                              #15
                              ^%#$&*($%&@*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                              UGH!!!

                              So the 1 year old just woke up from his nap with 2 sores/spots on his face. He had 1 before naptime, so they are multiplying.

                              I am sooooooooooooooooooo frustrated with this sick kid. I think that I just made my decision.

                              Ok so what do I tell the parents? DH said that I shouldnt say their kid is sick all the time because people take that too personally, but I feel since they are a family friend I owe some sort of explanation.

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