What Is Wrong With Kids These Days?

[Unregistered]

I am a registered user but logged out. I am a 26 year old woman and I see the results of lack of discipline in the generation of adults I am in let alone the children that I rear.

My own dh is totally spoiled and he knows it and he SURE KNOWS that I know it. He was raised in a wealthy family, both parents worked 12 hours or more a day running a business, so there was a lack of parental involvement. When he was disciplined as a child he was yelled at and put down, I’m assuming this would have been in connection with both parents being worn out from working so much. This has caused a lot of self esteem issues for him. In an attempt to make up for not being around enough the parents (especially his mother) would ‘buy his love’ so to speak. He said he never remembers his dad ever hugging him or telling him he loved him. This has made it much harder for dh to show his love freely for others. He was never taught the value of a dollar, lived at home until he was 26 years old and still to this day doesn’t understand the concept of priorities when it comes to finances. His parent’s paid for his entire college educated, paid off any credit card debt he made along the way (which was a lot) and bought him a $20,000.00 truck when he graduated. In defense of the lack of parental involvement that his parents have they will say, “well at least we were able to give our children a good financial start at life, not a lot of others can say that.” Yes, except now I am left with a dh that needs to be taught how to survive in the real world, has major self esteem issues and took almost a year before he admittedly said he loved me. His mother ‘babied’ him, on top of paying for every single thing he has needed or simply wanted his entire life she made sure everything was done for him. Dh didn’t even know how to run a dryer when I met him, let alone mash a pot of potatoes.

Dh also has at least 20 male friends that were all raised along somewhat of the same line and all have the same adult problems now as he does.

I am also seeing this so, so much in the generation of parent’s now a days.

My own best friend has an almost 2 year old daughter that she does literally everything for. To be honest I don’t think her child spends anytime outside of mommy’s arms when mommy is around. Her daughter is still rocked to sleep at night with a bottle, walks around with a pacifier in her mouth, doesn’t know how to walk through the snow in winter boots and if she cries because she wants something whatever she wants is given to her immediately.

Although I agree that technology, insufficient nutrients from food and too many immunizations have something to do with what is wrong with children now a days. I think the bulk of it comes down to the mothers working outside the home and children not taught what it is like to be a part of a real family.

Children need a consistent reminder (consistent discipline procedures) to be taught what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. When you have 2 (or more) separate families raising one child (Mom & Dad and Provider) the consistency is much harder to keep up with as both parties most likely are not on the same page. Even if a provider was able to successfully show a child what is right and wrong, acceptable or not acceptable if the child is going home to a set of parents who are not consistently keeping up with that teaching then a child is being taught that SOMETIMES such and such is wrong and unacceptable and SOMETIMES that same thing is OK. It also makes it very confusing for a child to know which adult figure is guiding them properly and most times a child will lean towards the adult figure that lets them get away with the unacceptable action.

Parent’s now a days are selfish. They choose the luxuries over building a stable and successful family. It is not “what is wrong with kids these days,” it is, “WHAT IS WRONG WITH PARENT’S THESE DAYS!?”

Also, what ever happened to teaching children responsibilities (chores)??

[Hunni Bee]

I am a registered user but logged out. I am a 26 year old woman and I see the results of lack of discipline in the generation of adults I am in let alone the children that I rear.

My own dh is totally spoiled and he knows it and he SURE KNOWS that I know it. He was raised in a wealthy family, both parents worked 12 hours or more a day running a business, so there was a lack of parental involvement. When he was disciplined as a child he was yelled at and put down, I’m assuming this would have been in connection with both parents being worn out from working so much. This has caused a lot of self esteem issues for him. In an attempt to make up for not being around enough the parents (especially his mother) would ‘buy his love’ so to speak. He said he never remembers his dad ever hugging him or telling him he loved him. This has made it much harder for dh to show his love freely for others. He was never taught the value of a dollar, lived at home until he was 26 years old and still to this day doesn’t understand the concept of priorities when it comes to finances. His parent’s paid for his entire college educated, paid off any credit card debt he made along the way (which was a lot) and bought him a $20,000.00 truck when he graduated. In defense of the lack of parental involvement that his parents have they will say, “well at least we were able to give our children a good financial start at life, not a lot of others can say that.” Yes, except now I am left with a dh that needs to be taught how to survive in the real world, has major self esteem issues and took almost a year before he admittedly said he loved me. His mother ‘babied’ him, on top of paying for every single thing he has needed or simply wanted his entire life she made sure everything was done for him. Dh didn’t even know how to run a dryer when I met him, let alone mash a pot of potatoes.

Dh also has at least 20 male friends that were all raised along somewhat of the same line and all have the same adult problems now as he does.

I am also seeing this so, so much in the generation of parent’s now a days.

My own best friend has an almost 2 year old daughter that she does literally everything for. To be honest I don’t think her child spends anytime outside of mommy’s arms when mommy is around. Her daughter is still rocked to sleep at night with a bottle, walks around with a pacifier in her mouth, doesn’t know how to walk through the snow in winter boots and if she cries because she wants something whatever she wants is given to her immediately.

Although I agree that technology, insufficient nutrients from food and too many immunizations have something to do with what is wrong with children now a days. I think the bulk of it comes down to the mothers working outside the home and children not taught what it is like to be a part of a real family.

Children need a consistent reminder (consistent discipline procedures) to be taught what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. When you have 2 (or more) separate families raising one child (Mom & Dad and Provider) the consistency is much harder to keep up with as both parties most likely are not on the same page. Even if a provider was able to successfully show a child what is right and wrong, acceptable or not acceptable if the child is going home to a set of parents who are not consistently keeping up with that teaching then a child is being taught that SOMETIMES such and such is wrong and unacceptable and SOMETIMES that same thing is OK. It also makes it very confusing for a child to know which adult figure is guiding them properly and most times a child will lean towards the adult figure that lets them get away with the unacceptable action.

Parent’s now a days are selfish. They choose the luxuries over building a stable and successful family. It is not “what is wrong with kids these days,” it is, “WHAT IS WRONG WITH PARENT’S THESE DAYS!?”

Also, what ever happened to teaching children responsibilities (chores)??

Very well said.

[My3cents]

I wanted to post my opinion on discipline as well. Since I have raised one family and am starting on the second, have over 35 years experience leading church youth groups, scouting groups and 4-H groups, I feel I do have some experience!

I believe the solution is not in which discipline you use, but in how it is applied. The most importantly is IMMEDIATE and CONSISTENT, IMO.

When my kids were growing up I trained them to not respond to my requests until I yelled. I would ask nicely, lecture, count to 3, ask them to stop and think, ask again, then my voice would start to escalate. By the time it reached a certain volume, the kids knew they had to obey now or get a swat. I guess it was a form of training, but certainly not very effective, and my kids have suffered the consequences of it.

I shared that story with my dcm's yesterday. It is very true. Consequences must be IMMEDIATE. And if we don't do that and do it every time, we are training our children to not listen the first time, or second time or until some point at which we administer the consequences.

Spanking or not spanking is not the point. Time outs or not is not the point. How they are used IS the point, IMO

I'm sorry if this seems inflammatory to some, but I again state that it is only IMO. I have very strong opinions, but they are just my opinions.

How so? curious- not swaying one way or the other here...I have my opinions but until I am the expert then I still learn everyday. I don't see myself being the expert anytime any day soon::

[SunshineMama]

I wanted to post my opinion on discipline as well. Since I have raised one family and am starting on the second, have over 35 years experience leading church youth groups, scouting groups and 4-H groups, I feel I do have some experience!

I believe the solution is not in which discipline you use, but in how it is applied. The most importantly is IMMEDIATE and CONSISTENT, IMO.

When my kids were growing up I trained them to not respond to my requests until I yelled. I would ask nicely, lecture, count to 3, ask them to stop and think, ask again, then my voice would start to escalate. By the time it reached a certain volume, the kids knew they had to obey now or get a swat. I guess it was a form of training, but certainly not very effective, and my kids have suffered the consequences of it.

I shared that story with my dcm's yesterday. It is very true. Consequences must be IMMEDIATE. And if we don't do that and do it every time, we are training our children to not listen the first time, or second time or until some point at which we administer the consequences.

Spanking or not spanking is not the point. Time outs or not is not the point. How they are used IS the point, IMO

I'm sorry if this seems inflammatory to some, but I again state that it is only IMO. I have very strong opinions, but they are just my opinions.

This is very true. Studies on children's behavior show that discipline must be effected immediately and consistently, in an environment where the children feel safe, to be effective. A delayed or inconsistent regime (spanking or not) will both prove ineffective.

[My3cents]

I am a registered user but logged out. I am a 26 year old woman and I see the results of lack of discipline in the generation of adults I am in let alone the children that I rear.

My own dh is totally spoiled and he knows it and he SURE KNOWS that I know it. He was raised in a wealthy family, both parents worked 12 hours or more a day running a business, so there was a lack of parental involvement. When he was disciplined as a child he was yelled at and put down, I’m assuming this would have been in connection with both parents being worn out from working so much. This has caused a lot of self esteem issues for him. In an attempt to make up for not being around enough the parents (especially his mother) would ‘buy his love’ so to speak. He said he never remembers his dad ever hugging him or telling him he loved him. This has made it much harder for dh to show his love freely for others. He was never taught the value of a dollar, lived at home until he was 26 years old and still to this day doesn’t understand the concept of priorities when it comes to finances. His parent’s paid for his entire college educated, paid off any credit card debt he made along the way (which was a lot) and bought him a $20,000.00 truck when he graduated. In defense of the lack of parental involvement that his parents have they will say, “well at least we were able to give our children a good financial start at life, not a lot of others can say that.” Yes, except now I am left with a dh that needs to be taught how to survive in the real world, has major self esteem issues and took almost a year before he admittedly said he loved me. His mother ‘babied’ him, on top of paying for every single thing he has needed or simply wanted his entire life she made sure everything was done for him. Dh didn’t even know how to run a dryer when I met him, let alone mash a pot of potatoes.

Dh also has at least 20 male friends that were all raised along somewhat of the same line and all have the same adult problems now as he does.

I am also seeing this so, so much in the generation of parent’s now a days.

My own best friend has an almost 2 year old daughter that she does literally everything for. To be honest I don’t think her child spends anytime outside of mommy’s arms when mommy is around. Her daughter is still rocked to sleep at night with a bottle, walks around with a pacifier in her mouth, doesn’t know how to walk through the snow in winter boots and if she cries because she wants something whatever she wants is given to her immediately.

Although I agree that technology, insufficient nutrients from food and too many immunizations have something to do with what is wrong with children now a days. I think the bulk of it comes down to the mothers working outside the home and children not taught what it is like to be a part of a real family.

Children need a consistent reminder (consistent discipline procedures) to be taught what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. When you have 2 (or more) separate families raising one child (Mom & Dad and Provider) the consistency is much harder to keep up with as both parties most likely are not on the same page. Even if a provider was able to successfully show a child what is right and wrong, acceptable or not acceptable if the child is going home to a set of parents who are not consistently keeping up with that teaching then a child is being taught that SOMETIMES such and such is wrong and unacceptable and SOMETIMES that same thing is OK. It also makes it very confusing for a child to know which adult figure is guiding them properly and most times a child will lean towards the adult figure that lets them get away with the unacceptable action.

Parent’s now a days are selfish. They choose the luxuries over building a stable and successful family. It is not “what is wrong with kids these days,” it is, “WHAT IS WRONG WITH PARENT’S THESE DAYS!?”

Also, what ever happened to teaching children responsibilities (chores)??

lazy world we live in. It's quicker for the parents to just do it or pay someone to do it, or to not do it and live in filth. Can't get kids to do anything else you ask them, chores- no gratification from doing chores....I could go on and on.....

[MsMe]

I am a registered user but logged out. I am a 26 year old woman and I see the results of lack of discipline in the generation of adults I am in let alone the children that I rear.

My own dh is totally spoiled and he knows it and he SURE KNOWS that I know it. He was raised in a wealthy family, both parents worked 12 hours or more a day running a business, so there was a lack of parental involvement. When he was disciplined as a child he was yelled at and put down, I’m assuming this would have been in connection with both parents being worn out from working so much. This has caused a lot of self esteem issues for him. In an attempt to make up for not being around enough the parents (especially his mother) would ‘buy his love’ so to speak. He said he never remembers his dad ever hugging him or telling him he loved him. This has made it much harder for dh to show his love freely for others. He was never taught the value of a dollar, lived at home until he was 26 years old and still to this day doesn’t understand the concept of priorities when it comes to finances. His parent’s paid for his entire college educated, paid off any credit card debt he made along the way (which was a lot) and bought him a $20,000.00 truck when he graduated. In defense of the lack of parental involvement that his parents have they will say, “well at least we were able to give our children a good financial start at life, not a lot of others can say that.” Yes, except now I am left with a dh that needs to be taught how to survive in the real world, has major self esteem issues and took almost a year before he admittedly said he loved me. His mother ‘babied’ him, on top of paying for every single thing he has needed or simply wanted his entire life she made sure everything was done for him. Dh didn’t even know how to run a dryer when I met him, let alone mash a pot of potatoes.

Dh also has at least 20 male friends that were all raised along somewhat of the same line and all have the same adult problems now as he does.

I am also seeing this so, so much in the generation of parent’s now a days.

My own best friend has an almost 2 year old daughter that she does literally everything for. To be honest I don’t think her child spends anytime outside of mommy’s arms when mommy is around. Her daughter is still rocked to sleep at night with a bottle, walks around with a pacifier in her mouth, doesn’t know how to walk through the snow in winter boots and if she cries because she wants something whatever she wants is given to her immediately.

Although I agree that technology, insufficient nutrients from food and too many immunizations have something to do with what is wrong with children now a days. I think the bulk of it comes down to the mothers working outside the home and children not taught what it is like to be a part of a real family.

Children need a consistent reminder (consistent discipline procedures) to be taught what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. When you have 2 (or more) separate families raising one child (Mom & Dad and Provider) the consistency is much harder to keep up with as both parties most likely are not on the same page. Even if a provider was able to successfully show a child what is right and wrong, acceptable or not acceptable if the child is going home to a set of parents who are not consistently keeping up with that teaching then a child is being taught that SOMETIMES such and such is wrong and unacceptable and SOMETIMES that same thing is OK. It also makes it very confusing for a child to know which adult figure is guiding them properly and most times a child will lean towards the adult figure that lets them get away with the unacceptable action.

Parent’s now a days are selfish. They choose the luxuries over building a stable and successful family. It is not “what is wrong with kids these days,” it is, “WHAT IS WRONG WITH PARENT’S THESE DAYS!?”

Also, what ever happened to teaching children responsibilities (chores)??

I agree completley. I have been a child care provider for 7 years, I am 27 and have no children of my own. I have plans to start a family of my own in the next three years. I will admit that I am terrified. I see my daycare children and really wonder if I would want any of them 24/7.

I feel a little better when I am reminded (thanks to your post) that children are a direct result of their parents. I feel fully confident in the 'parenting' skills I have developed in my years of childcare, and that many of my DCK's issues are a result of the choices their parents have made.

Thankfully my boyfriend and I talk a lot about our parenting goals and are always on the same page. He and I were also raised in a very similar way and I feel great about both of our values and goals.

[My3cents]

I agree completley. I have been a child care provider for 7 years, I am 27 and have no children of my own. I have plans to start a family of my own in the next three years. I will admit that I am terrified. I see my daycare children and really wonder if I would want any of them 24/7.

I feel a little better when I am reminded (thanks to your post) that children are a direct result of their parents. I feel fully confident in the 'parenting' skills I have developed in my years of childcare, and that many of my DCK's issues are a result of the choices their parents have made.

Thankfully my boyfriend and I talk a lot about our parenting goals and are always on the same page. He and I were also raised in a very similar way and I feel great about both of our values and goals.

Having your own children is different from daycare kiddo's. It just is. You will find this out. I am trying to come up with words to explain but just can't seem to get them out.... I was going with when you have kept this baby inside of you for nine months........but also when you just love and bond with your child that is consumed by you and you by them.....completely dependent upon you......you want to all the time to be the best parent you can be, its not a job, its a love, but............... then they grow up and get sassy mouthed and ........sort of kidding. Even when they grow up and they become whatever......its a love like no other. Don't compare your daycare kiddo's to your own children- its just different. You love your daycare kiddo's but it is just different. Maybe someone else can say this in words better.

I started from scratch but some people have not started from scratch and that love is just as strong as if they did. I have done both- I know. I guess that is why I am having a hard time to word. Joy, simple joy

then again....maybe it's the zen sleep music I have going on here that is making me all mush mush...

[SunshineMama]

I am a registered user but logged out. I am a 26 year old woman and I see the results of lack of discipline in the generation of adults I am in let alone the children that I rear.

My own dh is totally spoiled and he knows it and he SURE KNOWS that I know it. He was raised in a wealthy family, both parents worked 12 hours or more a day running a business, so there was a lack of parental involvement. When he was disciplined as a child he was yelled at and put down, I’m assuming this would have been in connection with both parents being worn out from working so much. This has caused a lot of self esteem issues for him. In an attempt to make up for not being around enough the parents (especially his mother) would ‘buy his love’ so to speak. He said he never remembers his dad ever hugging him or telling him he loved him. This has made it much harder for dh to show his love freely for others. He was never taught the value of a dollar, lived at home until he was 26 years old and still to this day doesn’t understand the concept of priorities when it comes to finances. His parent’s paid for his entire college educated, paid off any credit card debt he made along the way (which was a lot) and bought him a $20,000.00 truck when he graduated. In defense of the lack of parental involvement that his parents have they will say, “well at least we were able to give our children a good financial start at life, not a lot of others can say that.” Yes, except now I am left with a dh that needs to be taught how to survive in the real world, has major self esteem issues and took almost a year before he admittedly said he loved me. His mother ‘babied’ him, on top of paying for every single thing he has needed or simply wanted his entire life she made sure everything was done for him. Dh didn’t even know how to run a dryer when I met him, let alone mash a pot of potatoes.

Dh also has at least 20 male friends that were all raised along somewhat of the same line and all have the same adult problems now as he does.

I am also seeing this so, so much in the generation of parent’s now a days.

My own best friend has an almost 2 year old daughter that she does literally everything for. To be honest I don’t think her child spends anytime outside of mommy’s arms when mommy is around. Her daughter is still rocked to sleep at night with a bottle, walks around with a pacifier in her mouth, doesn’t know how to walk through the snow in winter boots and if she cries because she wants something whatever she wants is given to her immediately.

Although I agree that technology, insufficient nutrients from food and too many immunizations have something to do with what is wrong with children now a days. I think the bulk of it comes down to the mothers working outside the home and children not taught what it is like to be a part of a real family.

Children need a consistent reminder (consistent discipline procedures) to be taught what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. When you have 2 (or more) separate families raising one child (Mom & Dad and Provider) the consistency is much harder to keep up with as both parties most likely are not on the same page. Even if a provider was able to successfully show a child what is right and wrong, acceptable or not acceptable if the child is going home to a set of parents who are not consistently keeping up with that teaching then a child is being taught that SOMETIMES such and such is wrong and unacceptable and SOMETIMES that same thing is OK. It also makes it very confusing for a child to know which adult figure is guiding them properly and most times a child will lean towards the adult figure that lets them get away with the unacceptable action.

Parent’s now a days are selfish. They choose the luxuries over building a stable and successful family. It is not “what is wrong with kids these days,” it is, “WHAT IS WRONG WITH PARENT’S THESE DAYS!?”

Also, what ever happened to teaching children responsibilities (chores)??

Very well said!

[mrsp'slilpeeps]

I am a mother that chose to spank my kids when they were younger when I felt it was needed.

I am also a provider that will never spank my DCK's because they are not my children. That is obviously where I draw the line.

So I dont think people need to think twice about having someone watch your children that spank their own children.

Kids nowadays need a good kick in their arse once in a while because their behavior ****s.

And the parents who let their children act this way need two good kicks.

My opinion is , is that if we use spanking as a punishment then the kids go running to CPS and cry wolf so to speak.

My stepson did this 7 times, did it work? Not a chance in HEdoublehockeysticks.

Just my honest opinion and two cents.

[greenhouse]

Another thought...it's not really about discipline so much as it is setting boundaries and meaning what you say. Haven't we all seen that mom screeching at unruly kids, threatening to not take them to McDonald's if they keep it, but mom has no intention of not taking them and they know it! We say no and we mean no and I never go back on a word with my 2 year old which has resulted in some pretty hefty tantrums at first, but he is learning and it works. My mom was stubborn and as kids we knew her word was good. I'll never forget losing privileges to watch Wizard of Oz on TV when I was 5 ( this would be 1982 folks, before vcr's & netflix). I was devestated, but what a lesson to mind mom's word. You don't need to spank or be a tyrant, just don't be a lame parent with lazy rules.

[daycare]

I am a registered user but logged out. I am a 26 year old woman and I see the results of lack of discipline in the generation of adults I am in let alone the children that I rear.

My own dh is totally spoiled and he knows it and he SURE KNOWS that I know it. He was raised in a wealthy family, both parents worked 12 hours or more a day running a business, so there was a lack of parental involvement. When he was disciplined as a child he was yelled at and put down, I’m assuming this would have been in connection with both parents being worn out from working so much. This has caused a lot of self esteem issues for him. In an attempt to make up for not being around enough the parents (especially his mother) would ‘buy his love’ so to speak. He said he never remembers his dad ever hugging him or telling him he loved him. This has made it much harder for dh to show his love freely for others. He was never taught the value of a dollar, lived at home until he was 26 years old and still to this day doesn’t understand the concept of priorities when it comes to finances. His parent’s paid for his entire college educated, paid off any credit card debt he made along the way (which was a lot) and bought him a $20,000.00 truck when he graduated. In defense of the lack of parental involvement that his parents have they will say, “well at least we were able to give our children a good financial start at life, not a lot of others can say that.” Yes, except now I am left with a dh that needs to be taught how to survive in the real world, has major self esteem issues and took almost a year before he admittedly said he loved me. His mother ‘babied’ him, on top of paying for every single thing he has needed or simply wanted his entire life she made sure everything was done for him. Dh didn’t even know how to run a dryer when I met him, let alone mash a pot of potatoes.

Dh also has at least 20 male friends that were all raised along somewhat of the same line and all have the same adult problems now as he does.

I am also seeing this so, so much in the generation of parent’s now a days.

My own best friend has an almost 2 year old daughter that she does literally everything for. To be honest I don’t think her child spends anytime outside of mommy’s arms when mommy is around. Her daughter is still rocked to sleep at night with a bottle, walks around with a pacifier in her mouth, doesn’t know how to walk through the snow in winter boots and if she cries because she wants something whatever she wants is given to her immediately.

Although I agree that technology, insufficient nutrients from food and too many immunizations have something to do with what is wrong with children now a days. I think the bulk of it comes down to the mothers working outside the home and children not taught what it is like to be a part of a real family.

Children need a consistent reminder (consistent discipline procedures) to be taught what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. When you have 2 (or more) separate families raising one child (Mom & Dad and Provider) the consistency is much harder to keep up with as both parties most likely are not on the same page. Even if a provider was able to successfully show a child what is right and wrong, acceptable or not acceptable if the child is going home to a set of parents who are not consistently keeping up with that teaching then a child is being taught that SOMETIMES such and such is wrong and unacceptable and SOMETIMES that same thing is OK. It also makes it very confusing for a child to know which adult figure is guiding them properly and most times a child will lean towards the adult figure that lets them get away with the unacceptable action.

Parent’s now a days are selfish. They choose the luxuries over building a stable and successful family. It is not “what is wrong with kids these days,” it is, “WHAT IS WRONG WITH PARENT’S THESE DAYS!?”

Also, what ever happened to teaching children responsibilities (chores)??

Are you sure we dont have the same husband? LOL

My husband is exactly the same way and was raised the same way. AND to be Frank, its very hard for me to be married to someone I feel like is a manchild. HIs parents still everything for him (of course behind my back)

I agree with what you wrote 100%. I am having to teach my husband how to parent so that our child does not turn out like him. My husband listens to me with that part, so I am lucky. I just hope that my husband one day wakes up and realize that I am NOT ever going to replace his mother.

[countrymom]

I got a good example,

today my lazy sister brings her 4 yr old dd (the dck's hate her) dcb is playing with a water gun and refuses to give it to her, because he's playing with it, so what does she do, decides to tackle him and pry it out of his hands. I step in and take the gun away from both. Dcb happily goes and plays with something else (oh he's 4 too) and what does bratty neice do, goes crying to her mother who then proceeds to pack up and leave without even saying good bye. If that doesn't scream stupid parenting then I have no idea what does.

my sister also lives in the "me" generation, she has a 17 yr old dd who lives with my parents and dumps her 4 yr old at my parents house all the time, because you know "I can't get anything done" I'm finding that most parents are spoiled brats who need a good kick in the butt! Luckily I have great families and their children are great also, I can bring my dck's anywhere and they are so well behaved. Unlike my sister who lets her 4 yr old dictate what she wants to do.