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    Stubborn

    I am a registered user, but logged out to protect the innocent!

    OK, I thought my kids were stubborn, but I have a dcb who has me flamboozled!

    His age is 3 and honestly, I was questioning whether he was just slightly delayed in understanding and speech, but recent events have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt (at least with me) that he is just stubborn! More stubborn than I have come across at this early of an age.

    I will give him a small task to complete - for example, two children help put on and two children clear the lunch dishes. His job is to clear, because he is the youngest and I prefer to not have a full plate of spilled food. So he and the next youngest clear and the two oldest put on. Today he refused to do his part. I said he must sit at the table until he had done his share of the work. I would not let anyone tell him to "do it" or help him. After about 5 minutes I went over and said "What is it that I am waiting for you to do" His response was "clearing X's dishes". OK, I said, since you know what you have to do - we are ready to go outside. You have to the count of 10 to do this or you do not go outside. No response. Count to 10, still no response. I again went over and asked what he needed to do (twice he had attempted to come wash his hands and I sent him back to the table). He said "clear X's dishes" I said, then clear them now. He would not, so I said then you must remain inside and I cleared the dishes and laid him down for his nap with a hug and saying that he needed to do his share and also how important it is to learn to obey. There will always be things that make him sad until he learns to obey.

    Honestly, he gave me a smile that I can only call smug. I think he felt he had won!

    Any suggestions or ideas here? This goes beyond my immediate experience. :P
  • familyschoolcare
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Jun 2011
    • 1284

    #2
    Alright here is my most likely unpopular opinion. (I have a very stubborn, daughter she is now 13.) He did win. He did not have to put the dishes

    away which is what he was after. As hard as it would hae been what I would heve done when my daughter was that age was, take the child's hands and

    make him clear the dishes. That is the only way that the child can not win.



    By the way that is not something my daughter will be stubborn, over any more. Mt daughter does sometimes still say she is not doing something I

    respond with let me know how that works for you. She then does it.

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    • SilverSabre25
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2010
      • 7585

      #3
      Ohhh, I agree with familyschoolcare!!! He did win because he didn't have to clear them. I would also have "helped" him carry the dishes over, then depending on my mood, I would either have: A) ignored the fact that he had to be helped and say cheerily, "Wow, thanks so much for doing your share, that's great! Let's go outside!" or B) made him come outside and sit for 5-10 minutes because "If you don't work, you don't get to play".

      And I would probably make him clear ALL the dishes tomorrow while everyone else got to do whatever his favorite activity is.
      Hee hee! Look, I have a signature!

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      • daycare
        Advanced Daycare.com *********
        • Feb 2011
        • 16259

        #4
        I think I take the cake on this...

        I have a 20 month old that is the most stubborn child I ever met in my life. He will HOLD his breath if you tell him no or cry until he throws up.

        If I tell him lets put your blanket away now, he will say no. I tell him put it away, no and on and on and on ... SO I take him by the hand and put it away with him. As soon as I turn my back he will take it out and say NO and try to walk back to the sleeping area.

        I will tell him put it back, NO.... SO I make him do it and then I have to end up taking it away and hiding it so he cant get it back out. THEN he will do this screech scream that he will do for oh about 2 hours straight. He is the most stubobrn child I have ever met.

        In your situation, I would have tired to help him do his job, making him do most or all of the work, but leading him. If he resisted, then I would ask him Johnny, would you like to be a good helper and clean up or would you like to take your nap now while the rest of the kids go have fun and play?

        Let him decide. If he chooses option one, then great. But if you do nothing you get nothing..

        I would not fight a child on doing something instead just like he got, he got nothing...

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        • Countrygal
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 976

          #5
          Originally posted by daycare

          In your situation, I would have tired to help him do his job, making him do most or all of the work, but leading him. If he resisted, then I would ask him Johnny, would you like to be a good helper and clean up or would you like to take your nap now while the rest of the kids go have fun and play?

          Let him decide. If he chooses option one, then great. But if you do nothing you get nothing..

          I would not fight a child on doing something instead just like he got, he got nothing...
          This is pretty much exactly what I did. The others went out to play and he did not - he took a nap. I guess he won in a way, because he did not have to put away the dishes, but I felt there were serious consequences. He was very sad at not being able to go outside for the play time.

          I am really working hard to train this one to do things without help. He expects help with everything, even the simplest tasks.

          Thanks for the input everyone and I will certainly mull it over.

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          • SunshineMama
            Advanced Daycare.com Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 1575

            #6
            My own daughter is stubborn like that and it is sooooo frustrating !

            You literally have to reinforce everything, and I have a rule for myself (and DH), that we AWAYS have to think carefully about what we say to dd because if we tell her to do something then we absolutely 100% have to reinforce it swifty and immediatey. The one time you tell her to do something and you are too lazy to follow up and make her do it makes her think she can get away with more. It is exhausting! But the more you stick to your guns the more she learns that what mommy says goes.

            I think your dcb may be the same way

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            • familyschoolcare
              Advanced Daycare.com Member
              • Jun 2011
              • 1284

              #7
              To the OP and all the people dealing with and/or raising stubborn children. When my stubborn daughter was only three years old a very wise person told

              me that when she (meaning my DD) had something more important to be stuborn over, other than to wear or not to wear socks. (yes that used to be

              a battle) She will complish wonderfull things that others will not be able too. Now that my daughter is 13 I am finaily starting to see what this wise person

              meant. So hang in and remember the stubborn children of the world will change the world.

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              • SunshineMama
                Advanced Daycare.com Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 1575

                #8
                Love this!

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                • Kaddidle Care
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 2090

                  #9
                  Originally posted by familyschoolcare
                  To the OP and all the people dealing with and/or raising stubborn children. When my stubborn daughter was only three years old a very wise person told

                  me that when she (meaning my DD) had something more important to be stuborn over, other than to wear or not to wear socks. (yes that used to be

                  a battle) She will complish wonderfull things that others will not be able too. Now that my daughter is 13 I am finaily starting to see what this wise person

                  meant. So hang in and remember the stubborn children of the world will change the world.
                  Oh yeah but in the mean time we will pull out our hair! ::

                  My youngest is like this - he is now 10 and is one of the most determined little guys I have ever seen. Once he puts his mind to it, he will do whatever challenge it is. He is persistant and will figure it out 99% of the time.

                  We recently took a trip to the Liberty Science Center where he was determined to get across a rock wall. Thankfully on his 5th try, the worker there showed him the trick. I thanked her because we would have been there 3 hours later. Her comment was "He won't quit! and that's good!" I responded, "Oh yes, but he gave me a run for my money when he was younger!"

                  I try to avoid total meltdowns because they just shut down but the child that will cross his/her arms and just be stubborn I will assist and WE will do the task together.

                  If you feel you are constantly banging your head on this one, I'd advertise for a replacement.

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                  • grandmom
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 766

                    #10
                    OP,

                    I'd do a couple different things.

                    1. Have all the children buss their own dishes. Then he is responsible for his own, and so is everyone else. If he refuses, leave it there. Go about your day, nap, whatever. Wake up from nap: Oh, Billy, I'm sorry, I can't put your snack on the table. It's not cleaned from lunch. When you've cleaned up then I can get your snack.


                    2. Assign him (and others too) jobs to do throughout the day. Billy, your job is blocks, Johnny, your job is books, etc. When you are through with your job, snack is on the table (or you can go outside, or you can watch this movie)........oh, I'm sorry Billy, you played right through your snack time. It's over, see I've cleaned the table already. I'm so sorry you missed today. Maybe you can work faster next time instead of playing.


                    3. Sometimes I "pay" those who work really fast. It's amazing what a child any age will do for 2 gummy bears. Oh, sorry Billy, you didn't get your job done.

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                    • Heidi
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 7121

                      #11
                      Originally posted by grandmom
                      OP,

                      I'd do a couple different things.

                      1. Have all the children buss their own dishes. Then he is responsible for his own, and so is everyone else. If he refuses, leave it there. Go about your day, nap, whatever. Wake up from nap: Oh, Billy, I'm sorry, I can't put your snack on the table. It's not cleaned from lunch. When you've cleaned up then I can get your snack.


                      2. Assign him (and others too) jobs to do throughout the day. Billy, your job is blocks, Johnny, your job is books, etc. When you are through with your job, snack is on the table (or you can go outside, or you can watch this movie)........oh, I'm sorry Billy, you played right through your snack time. It's over, see I've cleaned the table already. I'm so sorry you missed today. Maybe you can work faster next time instead of playing.


                      3. Sometimes I "pay" those who work really fast. It's amazing what a child any age will do for 2 gummy bears. Oh, sorry Billy, you didn't get your job done.
                      I like this method, because it also makes things easier to understand for some children, so it benefits everyone. Giving each child a specific job helps break it down for them. In some cases, you could also give choices. Hey, Billy-do you want to be in charge of blocks or dress up toys? They love hearing "in charge of"....

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                      • Countrygal
                        Advanced Daycare.com Member
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 976

                        #12
                        Thanks for all of the ideas! Grandmom, those were really good ideas and although I do something similar, I don't do it quite that way and your way sounds much better!

                        To those who also have stubborn kids - my youngest was very stubborn - well, all my kids were, but she was definitely the most. (she still didn't compare to this little guy at THIS age). She did things like insisting on moving out of the house the MINUTE she turned 18. She was bound and determined to make it work - she was still in high school - but her roomy had a bunch of trouble with drugs and thankfully she began to realize that she was in danger of being implicated by association so she was smart enuf to pull out and head home!

                        But her stubbornness has seen her through a pvt college where she's pretty much the only "poor" kid, and keeps her headed toward law school, early graduation, etc. It is serving her well now. Actually, when she was younger she was my compliant one - it wasn't until she started coming into herself in her preteens that she became so stubborn

                        Thanks again for all the help!

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