Injury At Daycare, Need Advice

[daycare]

I 100% agree. It's almost a no-win situation and my heart truly goes out to her.

YES!!! Inspections stink. LOL!!! I scrub every inch of this place, get my paperwork in perfect order, and then sweat the entire time they're here. NOT fun.

I have two moms now that work for LIC at first I was super nervous, but now I love them, They are always so helpful....

[youretooloud]

Even though they injury looks bad, the action that caused it is in my opinion not extreme enough to cause me to throw this child out. The father actually said if it was him that had this" problem "he would get rid of the "problem". He also said he would hate it if it happened a third time he would have to get a " third party " involved. I am pretty sure he means a lawyer. I don' t think there is a childcare center in the world that would give a parent a guarranty that their child would never sustain an injury again.Even if I did expell the other boy. He could slip and fall ,lose his balance,be knocked down by a different child ect.I would appreciate any input. Thank you.

Honestly, I would immediately drop the child who's father is threatening you. NO good can come from a family like this. He may be the "victim", but he can destroy everything you've worked for. (his parent, not him actually)

I'm sure he's a wonderful, delightful baby...but, it's never worth having a child if the parents are making you feel this fearful.

What if one more thing happens to him, even if it isn't from this one child? What if something more serious happens? What if he gets his finger pinched in a door? These people are going to call a lawyer? This child needs to be in a bubble. A heavily insured bubble.

[CheekyChick]

I have two moms now that work for LIC at first I was super nervous, but now I love them, They are always so helpful....

Oh my goodness!!! I think I would have a nervous breakdown if a toy was out of place. LOL!!! Well, I'm glad you love them and that they have been helpful.

[youretooloud]

I would get rid of the one causing the aggression. As a daycare provider and parent I understand that accidents happen and children get hurt. However, these are not accidents. These are purposeful attacks on their child and I can see why the parents would be concerned and even a little angry. It would appear that the aggressive boy needs more direct supervision and a smaller setting elsewhere could help.

But, that kid is only 17 months old. He's not attacking anyone. He's being a rough toddler. There's hope for him...but, no hope for a father who's threatening to sue the person he's trusting to care for his child. What kind of dumb*** threatens his child's provider with a lawyer?

[daycare]

[daycare]

what she said...^^^^^

[morgan24]

First I really thank all of you for your input. It is very helpful. I have decided that it probably would be best to terminate the contract with the parents of the 12month old. I just don't need to worry about "what if..." .He is not here today, so on Monday I will have one more face to face and give them a letter.I am going to suggest that a childcare situation with less children or no other non-family children would be best for them. I am willing to give them 2 weeks, but don' t think they will use it.The father has a very flexible schedule and I would bet he is just going to say hes going to keep him home until they find another option. As for the other boy I really am confident he will get through this phase and I don't think the safety of the other children will be compromised by giving him a chance. I am ready for the challenge.I will definately work closely with his parents and let them know this is a probationary period, and we will need to see changes for him to stay.I am going to post again to report how Mondays talk goes. Thanks everyone!

I think you are making a very wise decision, protect yourself and business first. I agree with everyone else that you should give notice as soon as possible. With that comment he has broken any trust you may have had in him. I hope it all goes smooth for you.

I agree that the 17 month old will get through this phase. Keep working on him.

[Kaddidle Care]

If this is true, then dad needs to learn that people will take his threats seriously and he will have to face the consequences of opening his mouth and letting idle threats fly.

Sounds like he's going to find out soon! happyface It's good to set him straight now because when his child is SA and he pulls a stunt like that, the school system will say "see you in court". He'd better learn it well so he doesn't teach that attitude to his child.

I hate sue happy idiots. Nobody is going to keep his child in a bubble including him!

To the original OP - you don't need the extra paranoia of dealing with parents like this. Childcare is stressful enough and you need all of your energy to stay on top of things.

[makap]

Sounds like he's going to find out soon! happyface It's good to set him straight now because when his child is SA and he pulls a stunt like that, the school system will say "see you in court". He'd better learn it well so he doesn't teach that attitude to his child.

I hate sue happy idiots. Nobody is going to keep his child in a bubble including him!

To the original OP - you don't need the extra paranoia of dealing with parents like this. Childcare is stressful enough and you need all of your energy to stay on top of things.

[seebachers]

dont know what time it is there but I am anxiously awaiting an update from OP on the DCD response. I hope he realizes that his behavior was extremely inappropriate.

Let us know.

[My3cents]

mmm...why should the OP wait for one more thing to happen when the parent already threatened her with a "three strikes and you're out" sort of thing? I seriously doubt the aggressor is going to change suddenly and she is really putting herself at risk by keeping a family that is threatening to involve a third party if anything else happen to their child.

I agree with Meeko-

The aggressor will change- he is acting out, because he most likely does not have the words yet to express himself. However, I would talk with the parents that threatened calling in a third party. I would want to know what that means and I would also explain to them that you are not letting this behavior go on, but at this age, these things do happen. I would also have the aggressor glued to me for a few weeks. Never out of site or further then arms reach when possible. This way you can catch his behavior and teach him. No parent wants to come to daycare and find out that their child has been hurt. But- things happen. It's not like you put him in the ring and said have at him. Stay on top of things and don't be bullied by this parent but listen and show concern and assure them your doing everything possible. Some kids go through this stage. Remember your the boss, not the parents. Nip a parent telling you how you should run your daycare fast. They are kids learning. You can separate this child into his own space if everything else fails. Have a calm down area- and put them there when needed.
Best-

[My3cents]

I wouldn't either. He sounds like a bully.

BUT, as Nan pointed out, there are sure-fire ways to keep the baby and toddler separated. If I TRULY loved this baby and needed the income, I would make it work. I would also have a long talk with DCD and tell him that I would NOT tolerate his threats and if it happened again, child care services would be immediately terminated.

I guess my opinion isn't popular and I'm okay with that. LOL!!!

I say try working with both of them. I can see how is mouth got the best of him out of reacting to his hurt child. He is friends with the other party so he sent a picture to show he was not happy about this, and that might have been the third party he was talking about. The other parents. I would talk with him. If he talks lawyer as a third party- well then BYE. You don't need to be working on pins and needles. He has to know you can't work under that pressure either and won't. Talk with him before handing him a notice. but have it ready just in case you need to let him go. Men think different then women......it shows here. He just wants to fix it NOW! Your willing to work things out.

I think your opinion is fine- I often think and I sometimes do it myself, we react before we take in human accountability. This situation seems workable, it doesn't seem like its dead ended. It would be dead ended if after I talked with the father and found out he did not trust me or expected perfection of me. I will push myself to perfection but I am human, and human error occurs. Heart to heart it out with him and find out where you stand before taking drastic measures. If the aggressor kept at it, then I would access the situation and go from there. Honestly sounds like an age thing. I like Nan's advice on separating.

[CheekyChick]

I say try working with both of them. I can see how is mouth got the best of him out of reacting to his hurt child. He is friends with the other party so he sent a picture to show he was not happy about this, and that might have been the third party he was talking about. The other parents. I would talk with him. If he talks lawyer as a third party- well then BYE. You don't need to be working on pins and needles. He has to know you can't work under that pressure either and won't. Talk with him before handing him a notice. but have it ready just in case you need to let him go. Men think different then women......it shows here. He just wants to fix it NOW! Your willing to work things out.

I think your opinion is fine- I often think and I sometimes do it myself, we react before we take in human accountability. This situation seems workable, it doesn't seem like its dead ended. It would be dead ended if after I talked with the father and found out he did not trust me or expected perfection of me. I will push myself to perfection but I am human, and human error occurs. Heart to heart it out with him and find out where you stand before taking drastic measures. If the aggressor kept at it, then I would access the situation and go from there. Honestly sounds like an age thing. I like Nan's advice on separating.

THANK YOU!!! You would have thought by the response I received, that I wanted the DCD to bully and threaten the OP. :confused:

Anyhoo...

I've just seen how men (daddys) react when their child gets hurt. They want to fix the problem NOW - even if it means coming off sounding like a punk. I would give him the benefit of the doubt (this time) and give him a stern warning on how I expect to be treated. If he is a decent person, he may have already apologized for his actions. I am anxious to find out what happened...

[llethert]

injury at daycare update

I wanted to update sooner, but have had a very busy week. With childcare and family stuff.
I have decided to keep on both families for now .On Monday the father of the injured boy came to drop him off and we had a short conversation. His attitude was much calmer and open to discussing the issue further. Also they have now refered two friends who have newborns.One who needs care now and one to begin in a few months. These parents are also friends with the parents of the other boy who was the "aggressor" so they knew the story from both sides.one set were not concerned enough to even want to discuss it. The other set of parents did have questions. After speaking to these new parents about my approach to the situation they decided they respected the way I have decided to deal with it and really like what they have heard from many other references.This IS slightly bizarre. I am going to trust that someone who is going to refer two good friends is not going to come after my business with a lawsuit.They also still want to bring their son. They have decided for the time being to bring him the 2 days per week that the other boy does not come. ( he comes 3 days). So I am going to go with the flow and take it week by week. I will be re-evaluating the situation with both of the boys' parents weekly.As far as changing things to avoid this happening again I have always kept the babies under 12 months mostly seperated from the older kids. Bouncy seats,exersaucers and jumperoos help with this and I have a strict rule that older children must stay away from the babies floor blankets. I will be moving the age up,but once a child is walking I am going to have to be creative to figure out how to seperate them in the space that I have. Thanks again for all the comments and advice!

[cheerfuldom]

Good luck! I hope everything works out! Having the two boys come on opposite days sounds like it could be a solution for now. Hopefully that Dad has calmed down for good and really was just shooting his mouth off and nothing more. You are being very accommodating to give him a second chance, that is not something I could do. As for the new babies, hope that works out too! I don't take "friends of friends" because sometimes these groups become a package deal and if you offend one, they all talk and cause drama. I hope that is not the case for you and that this circle of friends will be the exception. Best of luck!!!