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  • SunflowerMama
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 1113

    Non-DC Question...Desperately Need Some Advice..

    I don't know if it's ok to post a non-dc question on here but my husband and I are desperate.

    Our twins turned 3 in early April and until that point have been great nappers and were going to bed with no problem. They nap 3 hrs during the day (1-4) and then were sleeping 7/7:30 - 7a.

    Right around their birthday one of my daughters started fighting going to bed and it has gottan progressively worse.

    We have always had the same routine...dinner, bath, books, bed. They have slept with the same sound machine since the day they were born.

    The past couple of weeks we are doing the same routine but when we go to shut the door she has 50 requests (shake my blanket, fix Minnie, hugs, kisses, and then at the door we have to say a few things just the right way or she'll have us repeat them over, and over and over). We've tried doing all these things, told we won't do these things and she needs to go to sleep, we've cleaned everything out of their room that could be distracting (toys, books, things she had collected in her bed)...tried everything. Once we tell her..."that's it we've said Goodnight we're shutting the door now" she loses it and will scream and cry for upwards of 2 hours. At first we would go up there and do what we could to settle her down but it just made it worse and extended the battle. So the past week or so we just let her cry at the door and 9 times out of 10 she falls asleep at the door (they have always had the child proof handle on the door so have never been able to open it). But it's after hours of pleading for us to come and give hugs or take her to the potty, etc.

    We are at our wit's end and just don't know what to do! They used to be fast asleep by 7:30/7:45p but recently it's been 10p or even later. What worse is her poor sister is in the room with her and has to deal with all this and doesn't get her sleep even though she's trying.

    If someone has any advice or has dealt with something like this I'm desperate.
    Last edited by Michael; 05-04-2010, 12:58 PM.
  • Worried Parent

    #2
    Maybe I am being overly worried but is it a sudden change? Have you talked with her about why she is feeling this way? Have you had any visitors/relatives/friends that have been to the house around the same time as the "change". We have a daughter that stayed over a similar 8 year old friend’s house many times and were unaware that the other girl was sexually abusing her. Our daughter was having similar problems. I might be way off since that was my first reaction and I tend to be overly worried now.
    Last edited by Michael; 05-04-2010, 01:08 PM. Reason: spelling

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    • SunflowerMama
      Advanced Daycare.com Member
      • Mar 2010
      • 1113

      #3
      Originally posted by Worried Parent
      Maybe I am being overly worried but is it a sudden change? Have you talked with her about why she is feeling this way? Have you had any visitors/relatives/friends that have been to the house around the same time as the "change". We have a daughter that stayed over a similar 8 year old friend’s house many times and were unaware that the other girl was sexually abusing her. Our daughter was having similar problems. I might be way off since that was my first reaction and I tend to be overly worried now.
      No, no friends/visitors/relatives around. All of our family/friends are out of state. Only change is the start-up of the childcare which I'm sure has something to do with it but we are still at a loss at what to do. We've done one-on-one time with both girls and given them special attention but nothing is helping.

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      • AmandasFCC
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 423

        #4
        Maybe cut the nap back to 2 hours? My kids all just nap from 1-3 and they all sleep fine at night and play just fine in the afternoon...

        It ****s that her sister is being kept awake by her though... What about going in, walking her to her bed without a word or a look at her, then walk out. I would try that after 5 mins, then 10 mins, then 15 mins ... until finally she gets that she's not getting any attention whatsoever, no hugs, no cuddles, no pillow fluffings, NOTHING, after her initial tuck-in ...

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        • fctjc1979
          Daycare.com Member
          • Apr 2010
          • 213

          #5
          Maybe if you could find something really cool as a reward for the twin that is trying to sleep it will motivate the other one. Like maybe the twin that is trying to sleep gets to have a camp night in the living room or something along those lines. Do you have a way that you could split the girls up into seperate rooms?
          Proverbs 12:1
          A reminder to myself when I resist learning something new.

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          • melissa ann
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2009
            • 736

            #6
            I have a 3 yr old son and I never let him sleep after 3pm otherwise he will not go to bed. We have earlier nap times, since we are up early, I usually have the kids go down around 12ish and sometimes they will sleep until 3.

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            • originalkat
              Daycare.com Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 1392

              #7
              My three year old sometimes sleeps 3 hours. But she usually goes to bed around 8:30. Maybe you should move bedtime to a little bit later or naptime earlier and see if that could help.

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              • missnikki
                Advanced Daycare.com Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 1033

                #8
                Originally posted by AmandasFCC
                Maybe cut the nap back to 2 hours? My kids all just nap from 1-3 and they all sleep fine at night and play just fine in the afternoon...

                It ****s that her sister is being kept awake by her though... What about going in, walking her to her bed without a word or a look at her, then walk out. I would try that after 5 mins, then 10 mins, then 15 mins ... until finally she gets that she's not getting any attention whatsoever, no hugs, no cuddles, no pillow fluffings, NOTHING, after her initial tuck-in ...
                This is what I had to do with my daughter. It is rough as a parent!

                In a way, it is the same philosophy when a parent drops off their child and lurks arounds with looooooong goodbyes, sending the child into a tantrum when they actually leave. The child needs to know GOODNIGHT means that's it, no more till tomorrow.

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                • QualiTcare
                  Advanced Daycare.com Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 1502

                  #9
                  kids don't want to sleep as long as they get older. i think shortening nap time would definitely work. 3 hours is a long nap.

                  i would think 2 hours max - and maybe even 1.5 hours if she's giving you so much trouble.

                  my kids used to wake up at 5 a.m. and they would go to sleep around 9-10 if they had a 2 hour nap starting at noon. this was when they were 2 and 4. my 4 year old got to where she didn't want to take naps, so i didn't make her. then, around 6-7 she wanted to fall asleep. i didn't let her - i'd make her stay awake - go outside, do whatever to make sure she didn't go to sleep. if you cut out naptime all together for even one day, you might be able to get her back on track. if she's used to having a nap and doesn't take on at all - she'll be so exhausted by bedtime that she'll pass out. wake her up early the next morning and shorten her nap time that day so she'll be exhausted again by bedtime.

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                  • TGT09
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 653

                    #10
                    Personally, I think 7:30 is too early a bedtime for a 3 year old. I would cut naps shorter AND push bedtime to 8:30.

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                    • SunflowerMama
                      Advanced Daycare.com Member
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 1113

                      #11
                      Thanks everyone for all the great advice!! I put everyone down for naps a little earlier yesterday (12:30) and I woke them from their nap yesterday at about 2.5 hrs (today I'm going to go with 2 hrs) and then we had an early dinner and went to the park and played until about 7:30p came home bath and bed by 8:15p. It did seem to help quite a bit and she barely cried at all and my other daughter was out before her head hit.

                      I think it was DH and I trying to hold onto the earlier bed time and my thoughts about naps (if they are still asleep they must need the sleep). But I think we're heading in the right direction. Thanks again!!

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                      • mrs.meg
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 130

                        #12
                        Sounds like it has nothing to do with sleep to me. Has everything to do with a power struggle, just my opinion. But, also here it is daylight at that time now and that could have something to do with it.

                        I see this with people all the time, it is just the child testing the waters and wanting to see who is boss. But that is just MHO, and that is not worth much!

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                        • originalkat
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 1392

                          #13
                          I know it is hard when a previously successful routine fails to work anymore. But inthe end, when we tweak things to make them work better everyone ends up being more at peace.

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                          • jen
                            Advanced Daycare.com Member
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 1832

                            #14
                            Originally posted by TGT09
                            Personally, I think 7:30 is too early a bedtime for a 3 year old. I would cut naps shorter AND push bedtime to 8:30.
                            My 7 year old still goes to bed at 7:30!

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                            • SunflowerMama
                              Advanced Daycare.com Member
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 1113

                              #15
                              Originally posted by jen
                              My 7 year old still goes to bed at 7:30!
                              I was actually thinking the same thing. When we were young my parents had us going down at 8p on the nose through elementary school (age 12).

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