If One More Person Calls Me A BABYSITTER...

[Sunchimes]

Here is a link to the full poem. Her links aren't working, so you just need to scroll down the page until you find" What do Day care providers make?" Lots of other cool poems on the page too. http://www.gigglesandwigglescc.com/poems.html#19

[BigMama]

Amen sistah

When I got my first "what curriculum do you have for my newborn" call I knew I was destined to be a babysitter for the rest of my natural born days.

I'll leave dat dare proffessional child care providing (teacher/school/yourbabycanread/flashcardin) to those who were actually EDUCATED to educate.

There's a big difference about what you do and what I do though and I think it's an important distinction.

You get paid to be an educator and prolly got the debt to prove it considering how expensive it is to educate yourself in the teaching field.

I have ZERO education in education. I reject all of it when I am forced into taking it. I've never wanted to be a teacher. it's too hard for me. I'll stick to babysitting... cuz it's what I do do well.

I think what it all boils down to is professionalism - something the field of early childhood is sorely lacking. When one refers to someone as a baby-sitter he or she is saying that this person is a non-professional. Licensing, state-mandated trainings, rules and regulations, etc. are in place to require a minimum level of professionalism among early childhood child care providers. Should people who care for young people have more training, education, and experience than the minimum requirements? In my opinion yes, but it is not required by the states and therefore there are vast disparities in the quality of care for young children.

Nannyde, for the record, a high quality early childhood program does not involve flashcards, Doman's Teach Your Baby to Read program, worksheets, canned curriculum, or attempts to teach young children by rote, memorization, and force. Perhaps your first comment was said in jest, but I don't think it was. I believe it was meant as a jab at people who consider themselves professionals in ECE. As for your comment on rejecting training in education, well it just made me sad. First because, for better or worse, you do teach children everyday. You teach them how to play with one another without adult facilitation, you teach them not to touch the babies that they go to child care with, you teach them how to stay together during a walk, you teach them that if they aren't cooperative during drop-off and pick-up times, their parent(s) will not be able to drop them off inside daycare, you teach them about good food, you train them not touch baby gates, you teach them that when they outgrow an afternoon nap they can no longer go to your daycare...and much much more. Young children learn just by observing us, so yes, you do teach.

Secondly, you are highly regarded by many people on this forum. I have also read that you serve as a consultant to child care programs in your area. I am troubled that someone who provides these services would declare that they reject education in the field. It is a proven fact that the quality of care provided in early childhood programs directly corresponds to the level of education and experience the provider has. Learning about child development, pedagogy, and new understandings about brain development could only enhance one's work with young children. It isn't about mimicking methods used for older children - it is about truly understanding infants, toddlers, and preschoolers and engaging in developmentally appropriate practices.

If child care is ever going to be seen as a professional field, we as child care providers must a. demand respect and b. BE PROFESSIONAL! We can't get the respect without doing our part.

[Blackcat31]

Ok, is someone paying people to come on here and dig up comments and posts that Nannyde has made???

Why is only SHE being targeted for what she says?
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The big difference here is child care providers without an educations are not the same thing as educated early childhood teachers. Many are SAHM's who are simply providing a service to others while they saty home with their own child....that being their primary goal for being in child care.

Other providers have the knowledge, skills and even the education to teach the kids they care for. I do, but still do NOT say I am a teacher because my PRIMARY job is to provide care (NOT education in an academic sense) to the children I have in my program.

If parents were to hire me to educate their child, then I would call myself a teacher and NOT have half the issues that child care providers have when running a business.

[cheeseheadmama]

Sheesh, I wish I were a babysitter. I paid my sitters 3x what I earn per hour now and I supplied everything....food, entertainment, even the place to make the mess, not to mention most babysitters watch TV, surf the web, talk on the phone and even bring a friend with and still get paid without catching grief from anyone about it!!

That is exactly what I was going to say! I pay a babysitter for my kids a LOT more per hour than I earn. ::

[Cat Herder]

I think what we are seeing is more of a generational gap.

Childcare Providers and Early Childhood Educators are not the same thing.

LONGTIME Established Childcare Providers (Babysitters) should not be forced to become Early Childhood Educators if they don't want to.

Some should be allowed to finish their careers in peace without constant judgment from those who chose the Education path.

I understand that is what the next phase of this profession is becoming.... We are not there, yet.

I say let the parents choose which they prefer in the meantime.

[Crystal]

I think what it all boils down to is professionalism - something the field of early childhood is sorely lacking. When one refers to someone as a baby-sitter he or she is saying that this person is a non-professional. Licensing, state-mandated trainings, rules and regulations, etc. are in place to require a minimum level of professionalism among early childhood child care providers. Should people who care for young people have more training, education, and experience than the minimum requirements? In my opinion yes, but it is not required by the states and therefore there are vast disparities in the quality of care for young children.

Nannyde, for the record, a high quality early childhood program does not involve flashcards, Doman's Teach Your Baby to Read program, worksheets, canned curriculum, or attempts to teach young children by rote, memorization, and force. Perhaps your first comment was said in jest, but I don't think it was. I believe it was meant as a jab at people who consider themselves professionals in ECE. As for your comment on rejecting training in education, well it just made me sad. First because, for better or worse, you do teach children everyday. You teach them how to play with one another without adult facilitation, you teach them not to touch the babies that they go to child care with, you teach them how to stay together during a walk, you teach them that if they aren't cooperative during drop-off and pick-up times, their parent(s) will not be able to drop them off inside daycare, you teach them about good food, you train them not touch baby gates, you teach them that when they outgrow an afternoon nap they can no longer go to your daycare...and much much more. Young children learn just by observing us, so yes, you do teach.

Secondly, you are highly regarded by many people on this forum. I have also read that you serve as a consultant to child care programs in your area. I am troubled that someone who provides these services would declare that they reject education in the field. It is a proven fact that the quality of care provided in early childhood programs directly corresponds to the level of education and experience the provider has. Learning about child development, pedagogy, and new understandings about brain development could only enhance one's work with young children. It isn't about mimicking methods used for older children - it is about truly understanding infants, toddlers, and preschoolers and engaging in developmentally appropriate practices.

If child care is ever going to be seen as a professional field, we as child care providers must a. demand respect and b. BE PROFESSIONAL! We can't get the respect without doing our part.

ITA. Good post

[Crystal]

Ok, is someone paying people to come on here and dig up comments and posts that Nannyde has made???

Why is only SHE being targeted for what she says?
_______________________________________________________________________

The big difference here is child care providers without an educations are not the same thing as educated early childhood teachers. Many are SAHM's who are simply providing a service to others while they saty home with their own child....that being their primary goal for being in child care.

Other providers have the knowledge, skills and even the education to teach the kids they care for. I do, but still do NOT say I am a teacher because my PRIMARY job is to provide care (NOT education in an academic sense) to the children I have in my program.

If parents were to hire me to educate their child, then I would call myself a teacher and NOT have half the issues that child care providers have when running a business.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

How is Nan being "targeted"?

[Blackcat31]

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

How is Nan being "targeted"?

In light of the recent drama we have going on here....it just seems a bit odd that Nannyde is off the forum (for the most part) for a while and suddenly old posts start popping up with people saying stuff that gets everyone going again. Just this week, three threads have been revived and the only person within that multi page thread that gets quoted are Nannyde's.

That seems a bit targeted to me.

You know me Crystal and what I believe in and although it isn't always the same as what you or Nannyde or others believe in, but I do see some odd cycles that happen here on this forum that always seem to be the targeting one person.

This thread died back in October until an unregistered poster bumped it back up...which is not a problem since I have respect and consideration for unregistered posters the same as I do for regulars, but it is just weird, crazy, odd or whatever word you want to use, that it is always the same old song and dance no matter how many people post in a thread. Nannnyde is the one who gets quoted and targeted?

It isn't always in a bad way but it ALWAYS seems to start something and frankly, after this week....I have had enough drama.

I might as well go back to watching Young and the Restless....


I am not sticking up for anyone, as I too have had my debates with Nannyde and others here about things, I was merely speaking out in reference to this week as a whole.

[Country Kids]

In light of the recent drama we have going on here....it just seems a bit odd that Nannyde is off the forum (for the most part) for a while and suddenly old posts start popping up with people saying stuff that gets everyone going again. Just this week, three threads have been revived and the only person within that multi page thread that gets quoted are Nannyde's.

That seems a bit targeted to me.

You know me Crystal and what I believe in and although it isn't always the same as what you or Nannyde or others believe in, but I do see some odd cycles that happen here on this forum that always seem to be the targeting one person.

This thread died back in October until an unregistered poster bumped it back up...which is not a problem since I have respect and consideration for unregistered posters the same as I do for regulars, but it is just weird, crazy, odd or whatever word you want to use, that it is always the same old song and dance no matter how many people post in a thread. Nannnyde is the one who gets quoted and targeted?

It isn't always in a bad way but it ALWAYS seems to start something and frankly, after this week....I have had enough drama.

I might as well go back to watching Young and the Restless....


I am not sticking up for anyone, as I too have had my debates with Nannyde and others here about things, I was merely speaking out in reference to this week as a whole.

Actually when Nan wasn't posting for awhile there was no drama! I'm not saying she starts it but when she isn't on its very quiet on the forum.

In fact it was commented on the "Where's Nan" thread that it had been kinda boring because there were no debates going on.

[Crystal]

In light of the recent drama we have going on here....it just seems a bit odd that Nannyde is off the forum (for the most part) for a while and suddenly old posts start popping up with people saying stuff that gets everyone going again. Just this week, three threads have been revived and the only person within that multi page thread that gets quoted are Nannyde's.

That seems a bit targeted to me.

You know me Crystal and what I believe in and although it isn't always the same as what you or Nannyde or others believe in, but I do see some odd cycles that happen here on this forum that always seem to be the targeting one person.

This thread died back in October until an unregistered poster bumped it back up...which is not a problem since I have respect and consideration for unregistered posters the same as I do for regulars, but it is just weird, crazy, odd or whatever word you want to use, that it is always the same old song and dance no matter how many people post in a thread. Nannnyde is the one who gets quoted and targeted?

It isn't always in a bad way but it ALWAYS seems to start something and frankly, after this week....I have had enough drama.

I might as well go back to watching Young and the Restless....


I am not sticking up for anyone, as I too have had my debates with Nannyde and others here about things, I was merely speaking out in reference to this week as a whole.

This thread was revived on the 20th of January, with absolutley no reference to anything Nan said until today, and even then it was a very "innocent" reference to Nan's post.

The other thread, Nan jumped into and lambasted the "unregistered" poster, after Nan having been inactive here for the most part lately.....which I feel was really unfair. She came in and said some pretty harsh things to the "unregistered" and REALLY got the drama going....so is everyone supposed to either agree with Nan or keep their mouth shut? Are we only supposed to have niceties to say to her, while she tells everyone how wrong they are?

I think I'll go back to non-active status here. I really enjoyed MY reprieve from this crap.

[Crystal]

Actually when Nan wasn't posting for awhile there was no drama! I'm not saying she starts it but when she isn't on its very quiet on the forum.

In fact it was commented on the "Where's Nan" thread that it had been kinda boring because there were no debates going on.

Yeah, this. Thanks.

See ya around.

[Crystal]

Oh, ftr, I have been "targeted" many times myself. It's not just Nan. There have been many disagreements betwen many different people on this forum. it's only when it happens to Nan that it's an issues.

[Blackcat31]

This thread was revived on the 20th of January, with absolutley no reference to anything Nan said until today, and even then it was a very "innocent" reference to Nan's post.

The other thread, Nan jumped into and lambasted the "unregistered" poster, after Nan having been inactive here for the most part lately.....which I feel was really unfair. She came in and said some pretty harsh things to the "unregistered" and REALLY got the drama going....so is everyone supposed to either agree with Nan or keep their mouth shut? Are we only supposed to have niceties to say to her, while she tells everyone how wrong they are?

I think I'll go back to non-active status here. I really enjoyed MY reprieve from this crap.

I never said she was being targeted harshly or in a bad light :confused: I just said she keeps being brought back up or quoted.

It's almost as if people aren't happy unless they can get her to "see" things their way. Why can't everyone just do things the way they do and accept that everyone does it different? Why does Nannyde (or anyone else) HAVE to see the light and agree with others?

This isn't an Early Childhood Educators or professional teachers only forum, it is a daycare forum. There are many people here who are just babysitters and happy being that. There are many members here who are teachers but provide child care, etc etc.....

I may have just "stepped in it" by making my original comment about targeting Nannyde, but my true motivation was with my feelings of frustration with the attitude of so many here trying to force others to be something they are not.

It was an emotional reaction and difficult to explain now in words.... I guess I learn just as much from "watching" the cycles of this forum as I do participating on it.

Yes, I agree, you have been a target too.....just not as much as Nannyde IMPO. But you usually take your ball and head home..... perhaps that is the difference between what happens when you are targeted and when she is.

[nannyde]

I think what it all boils down to is professionalism - something the field of early childhood is sorely lacking. When one refers to someone as a baby-sitter he or she is saying that this person is a non-professional. Licensing, state-mandated trainings, rules and regulations, etc. are in place to require a minimum level of professionalism among early childhood child care providers. Should people who care for young people have more training, education, and experience than the minimum requirements? In my opinion yes, but it is not required by the states and therefore there are vast disparities in the quality of care for young children.

Nannyde, for the record, a high quality early childhood program does not involve flashcards, Doman's Teach Your Baby to Read program, worksheets, canned curriculum, or attempts to teach young children by rote, memorization, and force. Perhaps your first comment was said in jest, but I don't think it was. I believe it was meant as a jab at people who consider themselves professionals in ECE. As for your comment on rejecting training in education, well it just made me sad. First because, for better or worse, you do teach children everyday. You teach them how to play with one another without adult facilitation, you teach them not to touch the babies that they go to child care with, you teach them how to stay together during a walk, you teach them that if they aren't cooperative during drop-off and pick-up times, their parent(s) will not be able to drop them off inside daycare, you teach them about good food, you train them not touch baby gates, you teach them that when they outgrow an afternoon nap they can no longer go to your daycare...and much much more. Young children learn just by observing us, so yes, you do teach.

Secondly, you are highly regarded by many people on this forum. I have also read that you serve as a consultant to child care programs in your area. I am troubled that someone who provides these services would declare that they reject education in the field. It is a proven fact that the quality of care provided in early childhood programs directly corresponds to the level of education and experience the provider has. Learning about child development, pedagogy, and new understandings about brain development could only enhance one's work with young children. It isn't about mimicking methods used for older children - it is about truly understanding infants, toddlers, and preschoolers and engaging in developmentally appropriate practices.

If child care is ever going to be seen as a professional field, we as child care providers must a. demand respect and b. BE PROFESSIONAL! We can't get the respect without doing our part.

Just one note about the "I'll leave dat dare proffessional child care providing (teacher/school/yourbabycanread/flashcardin) to those who were actually EDUCATED to educate." You did see where I included "teacher" and "school" in that phrase along with yourbabycanread and flash. I realize that educating children is more than rote learning. I take the "teacher" and "school" part seriously.

Your definition of teacher is extremely broad. With your kind of thinking it would mean that when a child sees the Golden Arches and knows there's nuggets inside that the Golden Arches is the teacher. The nurse who gives them a shot when they go in for their yearly check up is their teacher too. The waitress who brings them their chocolate milk is their teacher. The groomer who bathes their dog is their teacher. The cahsier at the Quickie mart takes their mommy's money so she is their teacher.

Just because the children learn about life under my roof it does not mean I'm their teacher. My home is not their school. Their parents are their teachers and their own home is their school.

I'm regarded on this board but it's NEVER because I'm an expert on educating kids. If you notice, no one ever asks ME about how to educate kids. I'm the last person on this board to ask about developmentally appropriate programs. I don't know a thing about it so I don't write about it or answer questions about it. You seem to know quite a bit. You would be a much better resource than I could ever be.

I'm a babysitter and I'm proud of it. I just do good care. Good food, good exercise, good friends, good toys, close proximal supervision, good discipline, and a whole lotta lovins. That's babysitting in my book.

Amazingly we turn out one great student after another. Whodathunk happyface

I don't see the day coming any time soon when "educated" provider meets home child care as a standard. My State doesn't require an education for any level of child care. If you read the JoAnne's Fabric thread you will see some links to my states minimum standards. They only pay 2.20 something an hour for home providers so there isn't any money in there to educate kids. Honestly, you can't even get good care out of that kind of money. What's REALLY lacking in early childhood care is MONEY. Once the money comes for educating kids you will get educated providers. It will draw in educated people when the one doing the work gets the money for doing it. Until then... it's not going to happen. I don't reject education in the field. I reject being expected to educate children for free.

So my focus and expertise is on the care aspect of child care. That's all. When the day comes that there is money to draw educated people to educate kids into the profession then my expertise will no longer be in the demand you see on this board. Until then "care" based technique will be sought after. It's what most providers are paid for (at best).

[Crystal]

I never said she was being targeted harshly or in a bad light :confused: I just said she keeps being brought back up or quoted.

It's almost as if people aren't happy unless they can get her to "see" things their way. Why can't everyone just do things the way they do and accept that everyone does it different? Why does Nannyde (or anyone else) HAVE to see the light and agree with others?

This isn't an Early Childhood Educators or professional teachers only forum, it is a daycare forum. There are many people here who are just babysitters and happy being that. There are many members here who are teachers but provide child care, etc etc.....

I may have just "stepped in it" by making my original comment about targeting Nannyde, but my true motivation was with my feelings of frustration with the attitude of so many here trying to force others to be something they are not.

It was an emotional reaction and difficult to explain now in words.... I guess I learn just as much from "watching" the cycles of this forum as I do participating on it.

Yes, I agree, you have been a target too.....just not as much as Nannyde IMPO. But you usually take your ball and head home..... perhaps that is the difference between what happens when you are targeted and when she is.

First, let me say, I really think no one has tried to get Nan to see/do things their way, I think in this thread it has only been stated that even though she doesn't consider herself to be a "teacher" that in reality she is. She may not have the teaching credential, but I beleive that every single child care provider is "teaching" their children every day, even if the only "teaching" occurring is about life skills.

I don't think people sharing their thoughts, ideas, opinions is trying to force anyone to agree with them and do things their way.....we all share them and we all beleive in our own philosophies....there is nothing wrong with expressing them and offering different perspectives. I gleen from each person things that fit and work for me and discard others, just as I hope everyone does. None of us have all of the right answers, but I bet if we all took the bits and pieces we admire from one another we would have some pretty amazing programs.

Now, saying I "take my ball and head home" is a load of....well you know. I have never left the forum because I am being "targeted" EVER. I stick it out and fight back, you oughtta know that. I did take a break from the forum for awhile, but it had nothing to do with anyone here....it had to do with my life being jam packed with "events" and needing to focus on those things, just as you did a few months back. Now, today I feel like "taking my ball" but it has nothing to do with feeling targeted. It has to do with 1.) for some reason anytime something comes up about Nan everyone gets thier panties in a bunch, whihc gets really annoying, and 2. the month I took off from here was one of the most productive, peaceful months I have had in a long time. I should have just left well enough alone and stayed away, because frankly, I don't have time for the drama