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  • Jenniferdawn
    Daycare.com Member
    • Sep 2011
    • 241

    What Am I Missing?

    I hear some of you from California say things like " it's against California law to have a baby sleep upstairs" or " it's against California law to have a baby sleep in the carseat". I'm at the very end stage if getting licensed and I haven't been given any info like that. Is there somewhere else I'm supposed to be reading to know about all those little specific rules? I just read through the huge manual of policies and procedures and saw no specifics like that. What am I missing?
  • Cat Herder
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 13744

    #2
    IMHO, These things are considered Minimum Standard of Care, Nationally, in Professional Child Care of infants. The only odd thing was that California considered infants to be those under 24 months. That would cut my current ratios in half since here we are allowed 3 infants (under 12 months) and up to 6 under 3.

    Most of this should be covered in your mandatory training hours, as well.

    California:

    "101223 Child's Rights

    * To receive safe, healthful and comfortable accommodations.
    * Not to be placed in a restraining device". (car seat, highchair, swing, etc.)

    101229: Responsibility for Providing Care and Supervision

    "The Licensee shall provide care and supervision as necessary to meet the children's needs. No child will be left without supervision of a teacher at any time. Supervision includes visual observation."

    101429: Responsibility for Providing Care and Supervision for Infants

    "In addition to 101229, each child shall be constantly supervised and under direct visual observation by a staff person at all times. Under no circumstances shall any infant be left unattended."

    - Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.

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    • Crystal
      Advanced Daycare.com Member
      • Dec 2009
      • 4002

      #3
      If you are licensed for a LARGE license, the Fire Marshall is who institutes the regs for no use of the upstairs. Small license (6-8) you can use the upstairs.

      The no carseat rule isn't spelled out specifically, but if you ever get a visit and have a baby sleeping or strapped into a carseat they will cite you. It's in the health and safety code, which is actually separate from the licensing manual....but while reading the manual you will see references to the health and safety code and even though it isn't written in the reg manual, you are expected to look up the health and safety code.

      Tricky, aren't they?!

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      • Crystal
        Advanced Daycare.com Member
        • Dec 2009
        • 4002

        #4
        Cat...the regs you cited are for Centers, not FCC, but it SHOULD be in the FCC regs.

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        • AnythingsPossible
          Daycare Member
          • Jan 2010
          • 802

          #5
          Our regulations state that infants must be within sight and sound at all times and no sleeping child should ever be on a seperate floor then the care provider. I am not in California.
          Infants can not sleep in swings, bouncers or car seats.

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          • sharlan
            Daycare.com Member
            • May 2011
            • 6067

            #6
            Originally posted by Jenniferdawn
            I hear some of you from California say things like " it's against California law to have a baby sleep upstairs" or " it's against California law to have a baby sleep in the carseat". I'm at the very end stage if getting licensed and I haven't been given any info like that. Is there somewhere else I'm supposed to be reading to know about all those little specific rules? I just read through the huge manual of policies and procedures and saw no specifics like that. What am I missing?
            CA has so much gray area in their licensing/rules/regulations.

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            • Cat Herder
              Advanced Daycare.com Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 13744

              #7
              Originally posted by Crystal
              Cat...the regs you cited are for Centers, not FCC, but it SHOULD be in the FCC regs.
              I agree, and it is here....

              I just saw she had gone 6 hours wthout a reply, so tried my best to find it for her...

              Again, these are all in the training classes, I am sure. :confused:
              - Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.

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              • Jenniferdawn
                Daycare.com Member
                • Sep 2011
                • 241

                #8
                Ok, so the health and safety code is what i haven't read yet. My health and safety class is next week, so that must be why I feel like I'm missing so much information! I figured it would have been in the manuel I read last night.

                And just so you know, I didn't ask the question because I think the regulations are bad, it's just that I wanted to make sure I knew what i was allowed/wasn't allowed to do. Thanks all! I feel a little silly now.

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                • Cat Herder
                  Advanced Daycare.com Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 13744

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jenniferdawn
                  And just so you know, I didn't ask the question because I think the regulations are bad, it's just that I wanted to make sure I knew what i was allowed/wasn't allowed to do. Thanks all! I feel a little silly now.
                  Oh, gosh....DON'T. It almost takes a law degree to decipher this stuff.

                  Every monitor who comes out seems to interpret them differently...:confused: I am 17 years in and still have to keep on my toes. It is frustrating.

                  If it werent for this forum MOST of us would be at a loss most of the time....
                  - Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.

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                  • mom2many
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 1278

                    #10
                    I've been told by my last licensing Analyst that they go over things more specifically in the orientation. However, when you have been licensed as long as I have a great deal has changed in 25 years!

                    To make it worse, in CA things vary from county to county and even among the counties each analyst interprets the regulations differently.

                    On my last unannounced visit, the analyst wanted to cite me for having an infant car seat on my premises. It was not being used, nor would it ever be when the child was in my care. It was a situation of one parent dropping off and another picking up, so they were going to need it for later. I appealed this citation and the manager agreed with me and reversed it.

                    I would ask to get things in writing such as what child proof locks are approved, because these are not in any manual. "Inaccessible" is open for interpretation and there are many grey areas as pps have mentioned!

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                    • Jenniferdawn
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 241

                      #11
                      More specific in the orientation??? Hahahaha! Have they ever done the on line orientation? They do not give any of the specifics, t least not the sacramento one. It is just a very broad and general over view. I think California needs some help...

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                      • sharlan
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 6067

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jenniferdawn
                        More specific in the orientation??? Hahahaha! Have they ever done the on line orientation? They do not give any of the specifics, t least not the sacramento one. It is just a very broad and general over view. I think California needs some help...
                        You're right. Don't ever feel silly for asking questions. That's how we all learn.

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                        • Jenniferdawn
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 241

                          #13
                          Originally posted by mom2many

                          I would ask to get things in writing such as what child proof locks are approved, because these are not in any manual. "Inaccessible" is open for interpretation and there are many grey areas as pps have mentioned!
                          That's a good idea. I wonder if they would do that? it's worth a shot...

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                          • Jenniferdawn
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 241

                            #14
                            Thanks Sharlan.

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                            • daycare
                              Advanced Daycare.com *********
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 16259

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Jenniferdawn
                              I hear some of you from California say things like " it's against California law to have a baby sleep upstairs" or " it's against California law to have a baby sleep in the carseat". I'm at the very end stage if getting licensed and I haven't been given any info like that. Is there somewhere else I'm supposed to be reading to know about all those little specific rules? I just read through the huge manual of policies and procedures and saw no specifics like that. What am I missing?
                              Call licensing and ask for a book of regulations and rules.
                              Trust me they didn't give me anything either and after over almost 8 years ofbusiness I learned a lot from this site.

                              Also if you have a county health nurse she may have info for you as well. She or he will be able to help you on all things related to health and safety.
                              Last edited by daycare; 09-28-2011, 08:26 AM.

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