Sids :(

[SilverSabre25]

Actually, 1/3 of the SIDS deaths that occur in child care settings happen during the first week of care, with 1/2 of those happening on the first day of care. I doubt very much that it has much to do with spending more time in daycare than at home. I would imagine that it has more to do with not following the safe sleep guidelines than anything else. That's just my opinion, of course.

It does seem that a lot of stories fit this scenario...

[Blackcat31]

I have zero experience with this so I am only stating something that was brought up in our child care provider training......

A local provider/friend had a baby die of SIDS while in her care a few years ago. The baby was two days shy of being 4 months old. She had just had her imms the day before. This provider said she had done some research later and found out that in countries like the Netherlands and Japan, they do not allow children under age 2 to be immunized but begin the same process of immunizations that we do just after age 2. She said they have the lowest infant mortality rates due to SIDS.

Like I said, I have no experience or knowledge in this, other than the basics, but I do wonder if there is a connection in that line of thinking.

[Cat Herder]

Interesting. Thanks, guys.

I follow everything and was part of the "Back to Sleep" study. I do know of a study that concluded that infants who typically/naturally/normally sleep on their bellies have an INCREASED risk of SIDS when suddenly flipped to back sleeping in daycare.

The problem with that study was that the cause was "unknown" and they could not link it specifically, just anecdotally, so it was deemed "inconclusive".

My son died in daycare, during his 8th week there, at 6 months, fully able to roll over. He had had his shots the day before. It took the provider several hours to notice as was obvious due to his level of rigor/lividity on EMS arrival. (that is why I always get grumpy with folks for moving infants to other dark rooms with doors closed for sleep in posts )

He had a full bladder, so no suffocation or mechanical asphyxiation....just stopped breathing. I will never know if there were blankets in his bed (rebreathing asphyxiation is possible) because they never took photos of the scene and he had been carried outdoors.

I asked about the immunizations/shots many times and was told it had no bearing. :confused: They were obsessed with the sleep temperatures and room ventilation during the investigation phase.

IDK, I wish they would figure it out. I have been waiting 21 years, myself. Many others for decades longer.


Read this 2 pg pdf: http://www.firstcandle.org/cms/wp-co...on_Dioxide.pdf It gives me hope because it makes sense.

[Jenniferdawn]

That is so heartbreaking to hear Catherder. Doctors and vaccine companies swear vaccines have nothing to do with SIDS and other horrible things, but after a lot of researching, there seems to be this link coming up over and over again. Right after my good friends son was given his vaccine, he became a different child. Over night my friend noticed him with draw into his own world and start exhibiting strange behaviors. He was soon told by doctors that he has autism. They swore up and down it had nothing to do with vaccines, but my friend knows thats not true. It was black and white to her how it happened. anyways, just wanted to tell you to not necessarily believe what health care practitioners tell you. there is a lot of money that gets in the way of people and their morals. And the sad thing is, a lot of doctors don't even know all the truth cause they get told the same lie. There are many stories out there just like this. Makes my heart break...

[Unregistered]

Sids

10 years ago I was caring for a child who was sleeping and stopped breathing. I did CPR and the ambulance came and she was breathing but never regained consciousness. It was diagnosed as SIDS. It has been the worst thing that has happened in my life and I still suffer from the trauma. But I always think about the family and their loss and that it's even worse for them. Your friend will need you by her side for many years to come. The devastation will impact her life. I don't know if she was able to have closure, I didn't. I believe that makes the situation even more difficult.

[Thriftylady]

This is one reason I don't really care to take infants.

[NightOwl]

I've been there and would be happy to speak with her. It was the darkest, most trying time of my life. DHR was horrible to me, they assumed the absolute worst, even though the parents were firmly in my corner. Eventually, after months of being accused, they could find no evidence to support that I (or my staff) had done anything wrong, so they had to close the case. The autopsy findings were that he died of SIDS.

This was 4 years ago and the mom and I still talk regularly, even though she lives outside of the country now (military). The heartbreak we shared created a very tight bond. She was very angry at DHR's treatment of me and even volunteered to write letters or go to the local media about it. I declined of course, because you should never cross DHR, even if they're the ones who are wrong.

If your friend needs some support or advice or the shoulder of someone who's been there, I'd be happy to help. Just pm me.

[Cat Herder]

NightOwl,

This is from 2011.

I have not seen this OP in some time.

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[Artsandcrafts]

I have zero experience with this so I am only stating something that was brought up in our child care provider training......

A local provider/friend had a baby die of SIDS while in her care a few years ago. The baby was two days shy of being 4 months old. She had just had her imms the day before. This provider said she had done some research later and found out that in countries like the Netherlands and Japan, they do not allow children under age 2 to be immunized but begin the same process of immunizations that we do just after age 2. She said they have the lowest infant mortality rates due to SIDS.

Like I said, I have no experience or knowledge in this, other than the basics, but I do wonder if there is a connection in that line of thinking.

I wonder the same thing, whether there is a connection between immunization and SIDS. It would be good to know whether Mennonites have SIDS or just parents that choose not to vaccinate

[Annalee]

I wonder the same thing, whether there is a connection between immunization and SIDS. It would be good to know whether Mennonites have SIDS or just parents that choose not to vaccinate

I know this is an old thread....but I live near the Amish community and have some close friends that are Amish....oddly enough, I never hear them speak of SIDS happening? we have talked about vaccinations before because they always have an outbreak of whooping cough each year....??? The Amish around here do not use cars or any kind of electricity....I know some communities have cars up north.

[Artsandcrafts]

I know this is an old thread....but I live near the Amish community and have some close friends that are Amish....oddly enough, I never hear them speak of SIDS happening? we have talked about vaccinations before because they always have an outbreak of whooping cough each year....??? The Amish around here do not use cars or any kind of electricity....I know some communities have cars up north.

Do they have other chronic illnesses such as ADHD, autism? I read a book where an Amish was interviewed and mentioned that he did not know of these illness in his community and he also said that if there were any in other communities they would know. They are supposed to still have diabetics, people with cardiovascular diseases, etc, but other common chronic illnesses are supposed to be unheard of in their communities

[Annalee]

Do they have other chronic illnesses such as ADHD, autism? I read a book where an Amish was interviewed and mentioned that he did not know of these illness in his community and he also said that if there were any in other communities they would know. They are supposed to still have diabetics, people with cardiovascular diseases, etc, but other common chronic illnesses are supposed to be unheard of in their communities

They have persons with diabetes, heart issues like you mentioned....but I have never heard them mention things like ADHD/ADD....They have been in our homes and ate meals with us....They built the cabinets for my brother's house. They probably are not knowledgeable of issues like ADD/ADHD And they may not have those issues because they have such a calm/structured/stress-free lifestyle.....ADD/ADHD issues can be environment-triggered or related.

As for Autism, I have heard them call some of their community members "slow"......I assume that means "developmentally delayed". Not sure if they have "autism" diagnosis.

They visit the doctor/chiropractor only if there is no other way to deal with their health issues. They will ride in a car to go to doctor but they mostly use their buggies driven by horses. They take the bus for long trips. They will answer questions so I will ask about the autism when I can. I have asked about the "vaccination" issue and he always brings up the "whooping cough".