Operating an Unlicensed Daycare

[rhondawarren]

"People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things."

First of all, get yourself a spellchecker.....it's THEIR not THERE. Further, unlicensed daycare cast a pall upon all the good care providers out there that follow the law. What's wrong with the world is people like you that think only certain laws and statutes are important. Operating an unlicensed day care is the equivalent of operating a restaurant without the proper safety and cleanliness guidelines. If the woman wants to "make her money" then let her comply with the same statutes and laws that licensed day care facilities must abide by.

Just to clarify ... Just because you do not have a license to provide childcare does not mean that you are not a good care provider nor does it mean that they do not follow the same safety and cleanliness requirements that someone licensed does.

In fact I am a mother of three and provide unlicensed childcare in my home. My home is always very clean (not just for the children I care for but for my own family as well). I provide the best care for the children I care for the same as if they were my own children.

To be honest with you ... I think some of them receive better care when they are in my home than they do when they are sent home with their parents.

Being "licensed" does not in anyway make you a better provider than someone that is not licensed.

As long as we follow the guidelines in our state for an unlicensed provider then no one should have a thing to say about it because honestly ... as long as we are following all guidelines that we are suppose to as far as our state goes its really none of anyone else's business.

[saved4always]

Just to clarify ... Just because you do not have a license to provide childcare does not mean that you are not a good care provider nor does it mean that they do not follow the same safety and cleanliness requirements that someone licensed does.

In fact I am a mother of three and provide unlicensed childcare in my home. My home is always very clean (not just for the children I care for but for my own family as well). I provide the best care for the children I care for the same as if they were my own children.

To be honest with you ... I think some of them receive better care when they are in my home than they do when they are sent home with their parents.

Being "licensed" does not in anyway make you a better provider than someone that is not licensed.

As long as we follow the guidelines in our state for an unlicensed provider then no one should have a thing to say about it because honestly ... as long as we are following all guidelines that we are suppose to as far as our state goes its really none of anyone else's business.

Yep, I totally agree with you! Until this month, I did unliscensed childcare in my home. I would like to add to what you have said just for clarification to those who, like "unregistered" to whom rhonda responded, keep insisting on confusing the terms. Unliscensed does NOT mean ILLEGAL! For Ohio, where I live, a LEGALLY UNLISCENSED provider can care for no more than 6 children ages 6 and under. Of those 6 children, only three of them can be under 2 years old. I had no desire to watch more children than 6 (actually, I preferred 3 or 4 ) so I did not feel the need to become liscensed. I had no problem filling my spots and my kids and their families loved me.

[rhondawarren]

Yep, I totally agree with you! Until this month, I did unliscensed childcare in my home. I would like to add to what you have said just for clarification to those who, like "unregistered" to whom rhonda responded, keep insisting on confusing the terms. Unliscensed does NOT mean ILLEGAL! For Ohio, where I live, a LEGALLY UNLISCENSED provider can care for no more than 6 children ages 6 and under. Of those 6 children, only three of them can be under 2 years old. I had no desire to watch more children than 6 (actually, I preferred 3 or 4 ) so I did not feel the need to become liscensed. I had no problem filling my spots and my kids and their families loved me.

There is NOTHING wrong with Legally ran Un-licensed In Home Child Care. To be honest with you I know of Licensed Day Cares that have more children that they are even suppose to. Just because you have a license does not mean that you provide better care.

[saved4always]

There is NOTHING wrong with Legally ran Un-licensed In Home Child Care. To be honest with you I know of Licensed Day Cares that have more children that they are even suppose to. Just because you have a license does not mean that you provide better care.

Exactly!!!

[Unregistered]

The facts and the law is : you can only operate an UNLICENSED day care if the children ARE related to you and u DO NOT recieve regular compensation. Make your money. Just make sure u are legal under the law

[rhondawarren]

The facts and the law is : you can only operate an UNLICENSED day care if the children ARE related to you and u DO NOT recieve regular compensation. Make your money. Just make sure u are legal under the law

Im not sure I fully understand this comment? Are you saying that if you are unlicensed that you are only suppose to watch children that ARE related to you?

[Country Kids]

The facts and the law is : you can only operate an UNLICENSED day care if the children ARE related to you and u DO NOT recieve regular compensation. Make your money. Just make sure u are legal under the law

It varies state to state. In my state I am legally allowed to: watch 3 unrelated children to me and I'm allowed to charge for this fee. I also am legally allowed to watch as many children as I want if I do not do it longer then 4 hours a day and I'm allowed to charge for that also.

If I watch children longer then 4 hours a day, my number goes down to 3.

[rhondawarren]

It varies state to state. In my state I am legally allowed to: watch 3 unrelated children to me and I'm allowed to charge for this fee. I also am legally allowed to watch as many children as I want if I do not do it longer then 4 hours a day and I'm allowed to charge for that also.

If I watch children longer then 4 hours a day, my number goes down to 3.

Yeah thats what I was going to say. I am legally allowed to watch five/day that are unrelated to me and can charge for them.

[saved4always]

The facts and the law is : you can only operate an UNLICENSED day care if the children ARE related to you and u DO NOT recieve regular compensation. Make your money. Just make sure u are legal under the law

Well, that may be the facts of the law where YOU live, but, in OHIO, the facts of the law are that you can watch up to SIX children who are UNrelated to you (only 3 of them can be under the age of 2) WITHOUT A LISCENSE and RECEIVE REGULAR COMPENSATION. Your own children aged 6 and under count in the six children you are allowed to watch UNliscensed. Believe me, I looked that up prior to deciding to do childcare in my home. I am a rule follower, so I looked it up MULTIPLE times just to be sure I got it right.

[Unregistered]

People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things.

It's her business because that many children create a lot of chaos. I know. The provider pockets the cash, the neighbors have to live with the situation created.

[abcdaycaremom]

Report or not to report

As a licensed daycare provider for over 9 years I feel we have a obligation to care and protect children. Each state has different guidelines on their regulations as to when a certification or license is needed to care for children. There is no law that states we can not care for children laws are set up to say at what point or amount of children does a license and education be needed! No as a society we should not mind our own business nor are there any records to how many child are hurt at licensed daycares verses unlicensed. The point of unlicensed daycares is to make an income without following the rules or to pay taxes. So in a sense anyone operating as a daycare that should be licensed due to the amount of children in care is in violation. And with that in mind how could a parent who is looking for a safe and quality daycare have piece of mind that this person is going to care for your children the best. Sure people are there do babysitting for a few children but actually running a daycare with education and regulation is what's makes a quality daycare, a safe environment with learning experiences and love. Seems to me so called daycares that what you to mind your own business is someone I would stay clear of, they are hiding something! When you follow the regulations and offer the very best for children then you have nothing to worry about that's where you will find the best for your child and isn't that what's important. Just because you raised some children doesn't mean you know what you are doing for someone else's family.

[Blackcat31]

As a licensed daycare provider for over 9 years I feel we have a obligation to care and protect children. Each state has different guidelines on their regulations as to when a certification or license is needed to care for children. There is no law that states we can not care for children laws are set up to say at what point or amount of children does a license and education be needed! No as a society we should not mind our own business nor are there any records to how many child are hurt at licensed daycares verses unlicensed. The point of unlicensed daycares is to make an income without following the rules or to pay taxes. So in a sense anyone operating as a daycare that should be licensed due to the amount of children in care is in violation. And with that in mind how could a parent who is looking for a safe and quality daycare have piece of mind that this person is going to care for your children the best. Sure people are there do babysitting for a few children but actually running a daycare with education and regulation is what's makes a quality daycare, a safe environment with learning experiences and love. Seems to me so called daycares that what you to mind your own business is someone I would stay clear of, they are hiding something! When you follow the regulations and offer the very best for children then you have nothing to worry about that's where you will find the best for your child and isn't that what's important. Just because you raised some children doesn't mean you know what you are doing for someone else's family.

That is a very bold statement to make....(the bolded sentence above)considering there are a ton of LEGALLY unlicensed child care providers who pay taxes on every penny of their income and follow all the rules set forth by their governing agencies and/or states.

Just because someone is unlicensed does NOT make them a criminal or someone who is trying to bend, break or avoid rules. NOT all states are the same and in some states being licensed is not even an option.

As far as your second statement (in red) about having an education making the child care a quality one....that is a contradictory statement compared to another statement you made in another thread about the star rating systems where you said "In my state the star rating is set up for more education which does not make your day care better".

So I am confused as to what the point is and how you feel. Either education makes your care a quality program or it doesn't :confused:

(I also want to mention this thread is from 2007. )

[dave4him]

If i were not liscensed i would lose two of my kids, so that wouldnt be good. Though i could have a pool.... ummmmm

[Unregistered]

unlicensed daycare

i THINK STICKING YOUR NOSE INTO SOMEONE ELSES BUSINESS especially when it will not benefit you(such as,what makes you think you can get the child to watch)and hurt someone that is only trying to keep a roof over their head.
I am a widowed senior, that has raised 8 children and a few related children at different times. I struggle every month as I was left with no life insurance and depend on the money I make watching my friends 3 children over night while parents work. Recently some daycare person reported me for not having a licence. When notified I tried to get registered but couldnt because I dont have a diploma. How can a diploma or licence make me take care of these kids I have had 1 since birth. Its like saying Im not smart enough to watch these kids without a diploma.
How dare someone cause a senior widow such heart ache out of greed.
People you do this, I hope they can live with themselves. Now I may very well become homeless.

[Elevenhounds]

Licensing Isn't Always Easy

I live in Colorado which must be one of the toughest states to run a daycare.

I can't run a home daycare since my house is too small.. but Colorado law states that the provider must reside in the home of the daycare.

So maybe I could rent a place and open a center... Nope, and a center must have a daycare director and since I don't have a bachelor's degree I would need to take the required courses AND put in nearly 4,000 hours of child care in some facilities.

How am I supposed to spend that much time in child care when I work full time? And that's even assuming I could land a job in this economy with no college education

Right now I have a stable and good paying job as an account manager for an insurance company... It's just my dream to open a daycare and be my own boss.

Unlicensed?? No go. Colorado law only allows 2 children from THE SAME FAMILY! I

I mean, I really, really I love children but I have to make some money somehow.