Incidents At Daycare - Recommendations Near Bothell, WA

[KidGrind]

I decided not to comment on this.

We are on the same page.

[Josiegirl]

You decided not to comment on my reply? Did I say something wrong? :confused:

[Silly Songs]

Original Poster, please please report this provider. However, it will come down to " he said, she said. " I wonder if they will find anything wrong when they investigate. Then what happens ? At least your child will be out of there.

[NightOwl]

Josie, I think she meant she decided not to comment on this thread.

[Josiegirl]

Josie, I think she meant she decided not to comment on this thread.

I hope so. I know having dcps drop in whenever, can be inconvenient and cause chaos, but from a parent's eye, it's one of the best ways to catch the 'real deal'. JMO

[permanentvacation]

No, Josie, it was not about anything having to do with you.

I just feel that my opinion was getting a bit heated on this subject. I will try to express my opinion in a little calmer way now.

In my opinion, any parent, or anyone over the age of 4, should know that it is wrong (and anyone over the age of 10 would know that the term is abusive) to put a baby or any child in a closet. Therefore, the parents, once they realized that the babysitter was putting their or any child in a closet should have immediately removed their child from that childcare setting and immediately reported the babysitter to authorities.

By the parents continuing to take their child to that babysitter after being aware that she put a baby in the closet, they are knowingly subjecting their child to abuse and, in my opinion, should also be reported to the authorities.

That's what my post said that I deleted, but it was worded a bit more harshly.

[Unregistered]

I'm hoping we're not all falling, hook, line and sinker, for a troll.

Sounds like a troll to me also

[smoka]

Outcome

So I pulled my kid and talked to the provider and asked to see the area she had the car seat. It turns out it was not a closet but a door with stairs leading to a dark basement / laundry room (not quite as bad as a closet). Provider also stated that the door was not fully closed but cracked open so she could hear the baby. I don't know if I believe it all due to the fact that she rushed to get her out when I got there and the situation just looked like she was doing something wrong and the baby was crying loudly. I pulled my child out that day and we're actively searching for new providers. We may have to go with a part time nanny since most good providers have a 3-4 month wait

Anyways, I discussed with her that babies that age (9 months) need to be held and rocked to sleep rather than be put in a dark place (at least our baby). I also provided her with a print-out of the law stating that babies should not be put to sleep in car seats (thanks TwinKristi). She said that other parents specifically request that their kids be put in a dark place to sleep, but that was never discussed with us. There was an oerall lack of communication with this provider and she always said everything is going good when we pick her up. There is no writeup like most group daycares have for infants so we have to ask everything.

Sorry, but I could not report her. As someone said earlier, it could just come to "he said, she said". I did reiterate several times that her communication throughout my child's 3 months there was not good and that this last incident is reportable.

I'm hoping we're not all falling, hook, line and sinker, for a troll.

Sounds like a troll to me also

I hope you're not calling me a troll. Why the heck would I waste all this time explaining an elaborate situation?

[daycare]

So I pulled my kid and talked to the provider and asked to see the area she had the car seat. It turns out it was not a closet but a door with stairs leading to a dark basement / laundry room (not quite as bad as a closet). Provider also stated that the door was not fully closed but cracked open so she could hear the baby. I don't know if I believe it all due to the fact that she rushed to get her out when I got there and the situation just looked like she was doing something wrong and the baby was crying loudly. I pulled my child out that day and we're actively searching for new providers. May have to go with a part time nanny since most good providers have a 3-4 month wait

Anyways, I discussed with her that babies that age (9 months) need to be held and rocked to sleep rather than be put in a dark place (at least our baby). She said that other parents specifically request that their kids be put in a dark place to sleep, but that was never discussed with us. There was an overall lack of communication with this provider and she always said everything is going good when we pick her up. There is no writeup like most group daycares have for infants so we have to ask everything. I also provided her with a print-out of the law stating that babies should not be put to sleep in car seats (thanks TwinKristi).

Sorry, I'm going against all your suggestions to report her. I just can't do it!



I hope you're not calling me a troll. Why the heck would I waste all this time explaining an elaborate situation?

I'm glad you got your baby out safe.

But think of that next baby she does this to. Because she will do it again.
You will never forgive yourself if something ever happens to another child

Sorry this makes me sick to my stomach.

[Josiegirl]

Now smoka, what harm would it do to call your local child care resources or the state and just ask them about the circumstances? Then let them decide what to do??? I certainly wouldn't want it on my conscience if something were to ever happen to someone else's child, would you??
And if you're worried about being the one responsible for affecting her livelihood, you shouldn't be. She's totally the one responsible for that!

[craftymissbeth]

So I pulled my kid and talked to the provider and asked to see the area she had the car seat. It turns out it was not a closet but a door with stairs leading to a dark basement / laundry room (not quite as bad as a closet). Provider also stated that the door was not fully closed but cracked open so she could hear the baby. I don't know if I believe it all due to the fact that she rushed to get her out when I got there and the situation just looked like she was doing something wrong and the baby was crying loudly. I pulled my child out that day and we're actively searching for new providers. We may have to go with a part time nanny since most good providers have a 3-4 month wait

Anyways, I discussed with her that babies that age (9 months) need to be held and rocked to sleep rather than be put in a dark place (at least our baby). I also provided her with a print-out of the law stating that babies should not be put to sleep in car seats (thanks TwinKristi). She said that other parents specifically request that their kids be put in a dark place to sleep, but that was never discussed with us. There was an oerall lack of communication with this provider and she always said everything is going good when we pick her up. There is no writeup like most group daycares have for infants so we have to ask everything.

Sorry, but I could not report her. As someone said earlier, it could just come to "he said, she said". I did reiterate several times that her communication throughout my child's 3 months there was not good and that this last incident is reportable.



I hope you're not calling me a troll. Why the heck would I waste all this time explaining an elaborate situation?

I still think you have a responsibility to at least call licensing, but at least you pulled your child and are moving on.

I just wanted to comment on the bolded above ^^. It's important to specifically ask your provider how they put children to sleep. For example, I do NOT enroll children who are held or rocked to sleep. It absolutely does not fit into my program. My children are expected to (with sleep training) be able to lay down in a dark room (supervised, of course) and fall asleep on their own.

[permanentvacation]

Yes, you definitely need to report what you saw to the licensing department or whatever department you have in your area that would be involved in monitoring the childcare providers in your area. You removed your child which is great for your child and your family's peace of mind, but if this provider did this with your child, she most likely will do this with another child. It needs to be investigated by someone with the authority to tell her whether or not what she is doing is safe and legal.

[Play Care]

I still think you have a responsibility to at least call licensing, but at least you pulled your child and are moving on.

I just wanted to comment on the bolded above ^^. It's important to specifically ask your provider how they put children to sleep. For example, I do NOT enroll children who are held or rocked to sleep. It absolutely does not fit into my program. My children are expected to (with sleep training) be able to lay down in a dark room (supervised, of course) and fall asleep on their own.

This, I would NOT rock/hold a 9 month old. I put them in the PNP rub their tummy gently with a "nighty night"

And honestly, the closet thing doesn't bother me nearly as much as the basement did (that would be illegal having baby on a separate floor here) - depending on the size of the closet it could be as big as a small bedroom. I know a provider who would nap babies in her large walk in pantry. The door is open with baby monitor on and baby in a PNP - because it was the quietest spot in her open floor plan home (I seriously have pantry envy) but the car seat is a big no-no.

[Country Kids]

Not sure how this would work but since we all know this has happened is there anyway to find out who this is and report them ourselves. Just reading this and knowing about this doesn't that make it a situation we should report.

Even if someone could call the local R&R in that area?

[Heidi]

So I pulled my kid and talked to the provider and asked to see the area she had the car seat. It turns out it was not a closet but a door with stairs leading to a dark basement / laundry room (not quite as bad as a closet). Provider also stated that the door was not fully closed but cracked open so she could hear the baby. I don't know if I believe it all due to the fact that she rushed to get her out when I got there and the situation just looked like she was doing something wrong and the baby was crying loudly. I pulled my child out that day and we're actively searching for new providers. We may have to go with a part time nanny since most good providers have a 3-4 month wait

Anyways, I discussed with her that babies that age (9 months) need to be held and rocked to sleep rather than be put in a dark place (at least our baby). I also provided her with a print-out of the law stating that babies should not be put to sleep in car seats (thanks TwinKristi). She said that other parents specifically request that their kids be put in a dark place to sleep, but that was never discussed with us. There was an oerall lack of communication with this provider and she always said everything is going good when we pick her up. There is no writeup like most group daycares have for infants so we have to ask everything.
I am also of the sleep-training camp. My babies learn pretty quickly, and it's a gentle process. But, group care make the whole rocking thing a bit unlikely. There is no way I could supervise my other 3 kiddos while rocking one.
Sorry, but I could not report her. As someone said earlier, it could just come to "he said, she said". I did reiterate several times that her communication throughout my child's 3 months there was not good and that this last incident is reportable.Please, please report her. Again, if something happens to another child there, you will never forgive yourself. Call it in and let the responsible people decide. It's not a court of law. They will most likely just warn her, since there will be no "proof". Unless, of course, she admits it. Then, there won't be any he said/she said.



I hope you're not calling me a troll. Why the heck would I waste all this time explaining an elaborate situation?

Thanks for coming back with an update. You actually wouldn't believe what some people would waste their time "explaining" Around here, we've seen all sorts! I don't believe you're a "troll" at this point