Temination Due To Transportation W/Out Permission

[Crystal]

More confusion from the state of california, of course.

Anybody from California interested in conducting a research study with me on the inconsistencies of licensing regulations/procedures?????

[NeedaVaca]

everything was not great.. my son like her, yes.. but i wasn't %100 happy with her at any point in time.. the fees were ridiculous and it just seemed as if mine, or any of the kids for that matter, were a burden to her on any given day. the day i checked out her daycare(because i know how daycare centers are with sick kids) i told her that pretty much ever since my son was born he has had a runny nose which his physician said was allergies and nothing to be concerned about..she replied to that statement with "as long as it's not green it's okay. green means they have an infection"... about 3 weeks ago she sent me a message stating "contagious or not, if your child has allergies and you don't want them on medication then they need to stay home...ash and i have spend the last week cleaning noses and everything that snot can be smeared on. call your pediatrician and they can tell you what would be best to take"...... if i would have taken him out then(my physician-who i'm sure knows more about toddler health issures than she does, said that he does not need medication) would i still be legally binded to the contract since she technically was the one who told me not to bring him?

I'm a little confused by this? Most providers make the decision as to whether the child is allowed to attend based on symptoms they see not a Doctor. Are you looking for another way to get out of the contract? It would depend on what it says regarding this.

[daycare]

More confusion from the state of california, of course.

Anybody from California interested in conducting a research study with me on the inconsistencies of licensing regulations/procedures?????

I dont think I have that long to live....hahahahhaha

[Country Kids]

More confusion from the state of california, of course.

Anybody from California interested in conducting a research study with me on the inconsistencies of licensing regulations/procedures?????

So does that mean that not all counties have this permission form?

I can't imagine that the rules for childcares are not the same from county to county in one state.

We have one book (per type of childcare) for the entire state that covers rules and regulations.

[Crystal]

So does that mean that not all counties have this permission form?

I can't imagine that the rules for childcares are not the same from county to county in one state.

We have one book (per type of childcare) for the entire state that covers rules and regulations.

California is TERRIBLY inconsistent with regs.

[daycare]

So does that mean that not all counties have this permission form?

I can't imagine that the rules for childcares are not the same from county to county in one state.

We have one book (per type of childcare) for the entire state that covers rules and regulations.

California, the land of the fruits and the nuts....who knows....

my family says to me all the time that ca is so crazy and that nothing ever makes sense to them at all when it comes to this state. Guess CA didn't want to discriminate on their ability to confuse so they made sure DC LIC can confuse us too....

[Country Kids]

California is TERRIBLY inconsistent with regs.

So maybe this provider wasn't out of her regs with taking the child?

Its funny one provider on here is talking about a transport slip and three others have no idea.

So in the end it sounds like everyone is right on the regs because its so vastly different.

[Blackcat31]

I know this thread has TONS of info but what I have gotten so far (beside the fact that California child care laws are super confusing)

The provider obviously felt she needed a form for permission to transport or the OP wouldn't have said she did not sign it. So that tells me the provider KNOWS she is suppose to ask permission BEFORE transporting.

The provider went against the parents wishes. Wishes the provider agreed to by enrolling the child without the permission slip signed

Provider FAILED to give what any one of us would consider advance notice for early closing.

The parent has every right in the world to remove her child from an environment she no longer feels safe in.

The parent should NOT have to pay the final 4 weeks of the notice period because the agreement (as a WHOLE) for services was voided when the PROVIDER decided to do something that she did NOT have permission to do.

ANY one of us would remove our own child from a situation in which we did not trust the caregiver to do as she originally agreed to.....which was NOT transport the child.

I am surprised at the number of posters who are laying blame on the parent here :confused:

[SilverSabre25]

Why does this matter? As a parent, I did not want people transporting my child either. Who knows what kind of driver they are, if they speed, get road rage, etc.?

I just don't get why the parent is being questioned about this. :confused:

Honestly it was because the parent had refused to address the question that had been asked several times before. This is a typical trademark of a troll, to ignore critical questions. I restated it in order to get a better feel if this was a troll. We've been getting a lot of things that feel/smell/ARE trollish, so I was curious. At least, it seems like a lot to me.

Why pick on me, anyway?

[MarinaVanessa]

More confusion from the state of california, of course.

Anybody from California interested in conducting a research study with me on the inconsistencies of licensing regulations/procedures?????

Count me in!!! I say let's do something about it. CA is kind of ridiculous .

Off Topic: I just realized last week than most licenses issued within the last 10 years (approximately) have the ratio regs written as (for max 8 kids) 2 infants, 1 child in Kindergarten and one at least age 6 while provider that have licenses that were issued before that have their licenses say 2 infants and TWO kids at least age 6. Also I was told that a child in transitional kindergarten counted as a kindergartener and that if a child was enrolled in transitional Kinder or regular Kinder but not yet attending (like the summer before they start school) they did not count as SA kids. Another provider (same region, same county, different city) had licensing tell her that transitional kinder didn't count but that as long as a child was enrolled in kinder then the summer before they started he would count as a SA .

I know this thread has TONS of info but what I have gotten so far (beside the fact that California child care laws are super confusing)

The provider obviously felt she needed a form for permission to transport or the OP wouldn't have said she did not sign it. So that tells me the provider KNOWS she is suppose to ask permission BEFORE transporting.

The provider went against the parents wishes. Wishes the provider agreed to by enrolling the child without the permission slip signed

Provider FAILED to give what any one of us would consider advance notice for early closing.

The parent has every right in the world to remove her child from an environment she no longer feels safe in.

The parent should NOT have to pay the final 4 weeks of the notice period because the agreement (as a WHOLE) for services was voided when the PROVIDER decided to do something that she did NOT have permission to do.

ANY one of us would remove our own child from a situation in which we did not trust the caregiver to do as she originally agreed to.....which was NOT transport the child.

I am surprised at the number of posters who are laying blame on the parent here :confused:

I agree here with all aspects 100%. If I had been in OP's situation as the provider I would not be surprised if the parent pulled their child immediately and I would not make the parent pay for the termination notice. It just seems irresponsible and unprofessional to me.

[Laurel]

i started my son at a new daycare in february. he liked it. this was a license facility located at the owners home. it was her and her daughter that ran the daycare together. altogether there are 4 of them in the family, one of which is a highschool boy who plays baseball. all members of this family refuse to miss any of his baseball games if they are located in town. at the start of my son attending they had me sign a contract and included a permission slip for transportation of my son to these baseball games if i could not pick him up before the game-i did NOT sign it. i work 8am-5pm everyday and the games start at 4:30 in which she said, at the time of signing up, that she would let me know the dates of these games. this week she had sent me a text message at 8PM the night BEFORE a baseball game telling me i had to leave work early the next day and pick up my son by 4pm so they could go to their game. with such short notice i was not able to leave work and she took my son to the game with her without my permission! so a couple questions..

is that even legal?

i immediately removed him from her daycare and he will not be going back because of what she did.. in her contract is states that she needs 4week notice and to be paid for that 4 weeks, but because she broke that part of the contract, do i still need to pay her?

can she send me to collections and have ground to stand on for payment?

It sounds like the provider was completely wrong here. She had no right to transport your child without permission.

I wouldn't pay and take my chances that she might win in court....if it even goes that far. However, if you owe her for any care she has already given then, of course, she needs to be paid for that.

Laurel

[Little Star75]

I am in CA and the state does not get involved with transportation type stuff./ From what I understand, they do not even check to make sure that we have the right amount of auto insurance to transport children.

they (lic) cannot tell us how to type up or contracts, but they do want for us to have a plan of operation which includes a transportation arrangements.


I think you were both in the wrong for doing business together. If she knew she was going to be going to games, then she should have not taken your child when she knew that you were not going to allow for her to transport him. In my eyes that was wrong on her part. But then also wrong on your part for having him in a place that you knew this was going to happen......

I think you two should come to a mutual understanding and try to work it out.

Can I ask why you don't want your son to be transported?

This so true... Even licensing told me that we as providers we don't need to inform the patent if we are transporting the children. I do anyways cause you never know what can happen, parents still have right to sue us for basically anything they want but will they win???

I think this isn't a huge reason to terminate immediately I understand op is upset but since she did choose to term Immediately she is responsible for payment. She agreed and signed a contract stating that.

I know that less than 24 hours notice isn't enough time but at that point I would of made every effort to pick him up early or arrange someone else to pick him up.

So yes, I would continue taking dcb to daycare but give the 4-week notice.

[mom2many]

More confusion from the state of california, of course.

Anybody from California interested in conducting a research study with me on the inconsistencies of licensing regulations/procedures?????

I'm all for this!

[mom2many]

It is on the back of the emergency card. It is called "field trip authorization" If that is not signed by the parent, then the provider CANNOT transport the child, period. I have been doing this for 16 years and it has been there since the day I started.

I am baffled?!? There is NO emergency "card" in CA that I have ever been given or seen! What is the number on this, so I can look it up. The Identification and Emergency Information "form" is LIC 700 and has NO back side! Am I in the twilight zone???? I have been doing this since 1986 and this is news to me!

[daycare]

I am baffled?!? There is NO emergency "card" in CA that I have ever been given or seen! What is the number on this, so I can look it up. The Identification and Emergency Information "form" is LIC 700 and has NO back side! Am I in the twilight zone???? I have been doing this since 1986 and this is news to me!

Lic and regulations do not regulate anything to do with transportation at all. There is NOTHING in title 22 that covers transporting children for any reason at any time.

However, if you are transporting in CA, you must follow of the rules of the CA state laws in regards to transporting children and infants.....