Ok, NOW I've Seen It All!

[momma4many]

Does anyone here sign with their children in care? I have had a couple that the parents signed but I have them in my care at about 2 years and up. I figure by that time the child should be learning to talk. I also found it frustrating because if the child was signing I had no idea what they were saying. That was another frustration with signing because our kindergartens at our school learn basic sign. Well that is great if the person being signed to understands it. I wonder if that will become one of our mandatory classes to take in the future because alot of people are doing it with their children.

Yep, we do a "sign of the week". The kids all like it and the parents seem to as well. The kids don't know enough signs for it to replace talking by any means and some parents feel it's beneficial for many reasons.

Also, as someone who is hearing impared, I like being able to talk to my own children this way. I can hear, just not very well, so if they are across the room or something, it's easier for me to see thier hands rather than their lips.

[SandeeAR]

Does anyone here sign with their children in care? I have had a couple that the parents signed but I have them in my care at about 2 years and up. I figure by that time the child should be learning to talk. I also found it frustrating because if the child was signing I had no idea what they were saying. That was another frustration with signing because our kindergartens at our school learn basic sign. Well that is great if the person being signed to understands it. I wonder if that will become one of our mandatory classes to take in the future because alot of people are doing it with their children.

Thought you might like this site. It is an American Sign Language Dictionary

http://www.aslpro.com/cgi-bin/aslpro/aslpro.cgi

[countrymom]

Everyone has a right to their own opinion with this "EC" BUT let me ask 1 question please IF u do allow it and are all for it... What happens when the child has to poop? Do u clean that out too or try to stop it and run them to the nearest toilet? Also this allowance of peeing in the sink would just confuse a child in my opinion. They are taught it's ok then I ASSUNME are retrained to later pee in the toilet? Confusing for the poor child in my opinion. Also back to the pooing, again confusing because how do u tell them not to poo there just pee there and run to poo in a toilet when it's coming right behind the pee... Also taking into consideration the possibility of injury from them scaling the counter to get to the sink. Then we have the possible future issues if they pee in a friends sink or school in kindergarten... Just an unnecessary and confusing situation I think. Just MY opinion here.

you read my mind. Theres and time and place for everything, and this isn't one of them.

[Sugar Magnolia]

Yep, we do a "sign of the week". The kids all like it and the parents seem to as well. The kids don't know enough signs for it to replace talking by any means and some parents feel it's beneficial for many reasons.

Also, as someone who is hearing impared, I like being able to talk to my own children this way. I can hear, just not very well, so if they are across the room or something, it's easier for me to see thier hands rather than their lips.

I am hearing impaired also!!!

[SilverSabre25]

Does anyone here sign with their children in care? I have had a couple that the parents signed but I have them in my care at about 2 years and up. I figure by that time the child should be learning to talk. I also found it frustrating because if the child was signing I had no idea what they were saying. That was another frustration with signing because our kindergartens at our school learn basic sign. Well that is great if the person being signed to understands it. I wonder if that will become one of our mandatory classes to take in the future because alot of people are doing it with their children.

Yes, I sign with my own children and with the children in my care. Signing DOES help them learn to talk, because you are teaching the (verbal) word along with the signed one at the same time. Children are able to communicate from a much younger age when using sign than they can without the signs. This helps eliminate a lot of frustration for the child, and children who sign with their parents/care givers often display MUCH less of the typical "terrible two" behavior.

The Signing Time DVDs and Baby Signing Time DVDs are the best resource, IMO for learning the signs yourself and teaching the signs to babies and children. Of course, once you know lots of signs, you can just teach them through usage. IME you never have to sit down and say, "This is the sign for [word]!" It works really well to just use the signs in normal conversation and they pick them right up.

Another thought to consider is that kinesthetic learners probably learn to speak faster with the addition of a sign, a motion, along with the word. My kinesthetic DD had 20 signs at 12 months and 100 signs at 18 months, along with 5 words at 12 months and 50 at 18 months, and well over 100 words by 20 months. She STILL uses the signs along with the words a lot of the time and she is 3.5. She still remembers signs that we rarely ever used, like the sign for "Deer" and she uses them in context.

Signing is awesome.

[momofboys]

I am sure someone else asked this but WHY the sink? Why wouldn't you teach over a toilet or toddler potty seat? And what about #2? I am not okay with pee in my sink but I certainly would not be okay with #2 in my SINK!

[Unregistered]

Where to start?

I want to address the comment about urine being sterile. From what I understand, urine is sterile if it hasn't left the body and as long as there is no infection (like a UTI).

I have an aquaintance who said that she would start toilet training her next child during infancy so that her child would be on a schedule. I can't even begin to understand how that works. She had been told that it worked by a friend of hers and she was sold on the idea.

I just think that potty training before a child ready is a potential disaster.

[Sugar Magnolia]

Update

Well mom went elsewhere. I thought you home daycare ladies would find her reasoning amusing. "We are going to a home daycare because they will allow her to pee in the sink. The lady does not see a problem with my expectation that she will be potty trained fully by age 18 months. She only has 6 children in her care, so it will be easy for her to take her to the sink every 30 mins or so. All of her DCK's are under three."

:: ok, new provider, good luck with that! ::
How many of you would allow sink peeing? How many of you would promise to have a baby fully potty trained before 18 months? How many moms out there would want your child seeing another child being held over a sink to pee? Who out there wants the liability when someone falls out of a sink and busts their head open on a tile floor, all because a kooky mom demanded sink peeing?
NOT ME!!! Good ridance. Feel sorry for that new lady. I really really liked the little girl, she was soooo sweet, but mom with her flaky ideas and uber-demanding requests is NOT missed.
Lessons learned: no cloth diapers, no attempting to sit non-verbal children on a potty. And just say "you are termed" the FIRST time you catch a mother putting her child in your sink, letting her pee in it, and not bothering to clean the sink. GROSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All the "urine is sanitary" types are not welcomed in my center, do that junk at home!

[safechner]

Well mom went elsewhere. I thought you home daycare ladies would find her reasoning amusing. "We are going to a home daycare because they will allow her to pee in the sink. The lady does not see a problem with my expectation that she will be potty trained fully by age 18 months. She only has 6 children in her care, so it will be easy for her to take her to the sink every 30 mins or so. All of her DCK's are under three."

:: ok, new provider, good luck with that! ::
How many of you would allow sink peeing? How many of you would promise to have a baby fully potty trained before 18 months? How many moms out there would want your child seeing another child being held over a sink to pee? Who out there wants the liability when someone falls out of a sink and busts their head open on a tile floor, all because a kooky mom demanded sink peeing?
NOT ME!!! Good ridance. Feel sorry for that new lady. I really really liked the little girl, she was soooo sweet, but mom with her flaky ideas and uber-demanding requests is NOT missed.
Lessons learned: no cloth diapers, no attempting to sit non-verbal children on a potty. And just say "you are termed" the FIRST time you catch a mother putting her child in your sink, letting her pee in it, and not bothering to clean the sink. GROSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All the "urine is sanitary" types are not welcomed in my center, do that junk at home!

Heck No! Not in my house at all! I think her new provider is lying about this because there is NO way the kids can be a full potty trained by 18 months old. I am pretty sure she probably will take her in the potty, not sink, who knows.

[AnneCordelia]

HDCP here and I would not allow that. I have 4 children in care...all under age 3...and would NOT have the time nor patience to potty train a 16 month old in my SINK.

[godiva83]

Okay,a
the thought of pering in my sink made me giggle a little bit. Sure, if that is the norm and status quo of your society go for it. But in most Western societies it is not the so called norm, just use a toilet, teach your child to use a toilet and at your own home pee in your sink, garden or wherever you so choose. Also, she was Asked not to do so, what is with people?
Secondly, IMO just because a child sign she has to use the washroom does not mean she is ready, she is getting ready but not there YET. I feel they need to be able to communicate the need, remove their pants, sit on the toilet (not sink) with little assistance as these are mandatory skills in order to use the washroom properly

[sharlan]

Well mom went elsewhere. I thought you home daycare ladies would find her reasoning amusing. "We are going to a home daycare because they will allow her to pee in the sink. The lady does not see a problem with my expectation that she will be potty trained fully by age 18 months. She only has 6 children in her care, so it will be easy for her to take her to the sink every 30 mins or so. All of her DCK's are under three."

:: ok, new provider, good luck with that! ::
How many of you would allow sink peeing? How many of you would promise to have a baby fully potty trained before 18 months? How many moms out there would want your child seeing another child being held over a sink to pee? Who out there wants the liability when someone falls out of a sink and busts their head open on a tile floor, all because a kooky mom demanded sink peeing?
NOT ME!!! Good ridance. Feel sorry for that new lady. I really really liked the little girl, she was soooo sweet, but mom with her flaky ideas and uber-demanding requests is NOT missed.
Lessons learned: no cloth diapers, no attempting to sit non-verbal children on a potty. And just say "you are termed" the FIRST time you catch a mother putting her child in your sink, letting her pee in it, and not bothering to clean the sink. GROSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All the "urine is sanitary" types are not welcomed in my center, do that junk at home!

Urine is sterile WHEN it leaves the body. It's no longer sterile once it hits the sink, toilet, or floor. I am not willingly going to let a child pee in my sink, all over my toilet, or on the floor. I would say good riddance.

[sharlan]

Heck No! Not in my house at all! I think her new provider is lying about this because there is NO way the kids can be a full potty trained by 18 months old. I am pretty sure she probably will take her in the potty, not sink, who knows.

Both of my daughters were potty trained during the day by 18 mos, both in panties full time. BUT, and I say a big BUT, they were both bed wetters. My eldest stopped at 4, but my youngest still had night time accidents until she was about 8. Two different urologists told me that it was because they were potty trained too early. One urologist told me that no potty training should be attempted before the 2nd birthday.

[harperluu]

I'd just mention that you left the hand soap on the floor for her to wash her hands in the toilet.

So odd.

[JenNJ]

1. Pee may be sterile but I still don't want people peeing in my sinks. It's the same reason I don't swim in toilets. I prefer pools filled with water.

2. The provider said no peeing in the sink. That is the rule. Parent broke rule. Grounds for termination. Parent can do whatever she pleases at home. In daycare, she needs to follow the rules. What she did was disrespectful.

3. It is dangerous. Sinks are not made for supporting weight. Toilets are. If the child was dropped or fell, you can bet the parent would go after the provider's insurance.

4. Maintenance. I would not want to repaint my walls frequently because of splattering urine in the sink area or clean around the faucet area several times per day. It would eventually lead to a smell in the bathroom no matter how often it was cleaned. Toilets are designed to hold and flush away waste. Bathroom sinks are not.

5. I teach manners in my daycare. Children begin clearing their dishes from the table as young as 16 months here. Pleases, thank yous, excuse mes, and the like are said frequently. We are taught normal social boundaries. Pissing in a sink is not normal and it is not good manners.