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  • Sugar Magnolia
    Blossoms Blooming
    • Apr 2011
    • 2647

    Pink Dress Boy Update!

    Well it went very well! As soon as he came in, he made a bee-line for the dress, as usual. I told him we needed to talk about dress up. (Mom heard the whole conversation and gave a thumbs up on the way out) This is how I explained it to him. "Boy X, I know you like to play dress up, but some of the new dress up clothes are getting torn because people play with other toys while wearing dress up clothes. From now on, dress up clothes must stay in the quiet area, so they don't get damaged. When you are done playing dress up in the quiet area, you hang them back up. If you want to play other things, you have to take dress up clothes off. If the dress gets ripped, it will have to get thrown away. See....look a loose thread already! So when you're done, you hang it up." He says ok. He puts on the dress. He admires himself in the mirror for awhile. He accesorizes and re-checks the mirror.

    He plays with dolls and stuffed animals(they are in the quiet area too) and after 15 mins or so, starts to wander to the table where kids are doing puzzles. "Boy X, if you want to play puzzles, go hang up the dress." Him: "uhhhmmm I'm not done with it yet" me: ok, when you're done, come join us at the puzzle table." He lingers in the quiet area, dress on. Puzzles look soo fun though....he waits 5 more mins, takes the dress off and does some puzzles. NO TANTRUM!! About a half hour later, Girl X has the dress on. She has also been informed of the new rule, dress up clothes stay in the quiet area. Him: "is girl x allowed to play toys with the dress on?" Me: "nope". He is watching girl X like a hawk, but NO tantrums! Girl X is joined by Girl Y and also has a dress on. He watches intently. Girl X and Y are done in 10 mins. They put the dresses back. I praise them for doing a good job keeping dress up clothes in the quiet area. HE praises them too! About an hour later, the dress goes back on him. He stays put in quiet area. This time, he's done with it in 5 mins.

    Now, if it continues to go this smoothly, the pink dress can stay and he can wear it within the limits of the quiet area. If not, and he regresses, the dress will get "torn" and disappear. If he (and all the other kids) are NOT allowed to wear the dress up stuff outside the quiet area, it will remove the enticement to go about his normal day wearing the pink dress. He wants to do activities and participate, he just wants to do them in a pink dress. But I am hoping this new policy will make the dress seem less attractive to him if he knows he can't wear it and play other things at the same time.

    The Burning Question: do you all have a limit on when and where dress up clothes can be worn? I know its best to have most materials available for play at all times.... Do YOU all let kids dress up and stay dressed up while they do other activities? I am dying to know how you all handle dress up clothes! I have always let them play with dress up clothes freely, until the pink dress became an issue.
    Last edited by Michael; 05-13-2011, 11:40 AM.
  • Zoe
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 1445

    #2
    Great job!

    Yes, I don't think dress up clothes should be worn when the kids are playing with other toys. They get ripped. Dress up clothes are to be used when they're playing pretend games! It sounds like you are doing everything just fine!

    Kudos!

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    • sharlan
      Daycare.com Member
      • May 2011
      • 6067

      #3
      Fantastic. It sounds like you found the perfect solution for your situation.

      I don't have dress up clothes, so that's not an issue for me.

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      • ChaserT27

        #4
        Sugar
        I do not set time limits as far as toys (free play). However I do things a bit differently. We do have a pretend area (kitchen, dolls etc.) however I have the same exact things times the amt. of children I have. ;0( Free play is free play - and that in itself is timed but not the toys which they choose.

        I also run my program on monthly themes so on the first business day of each month a *new* box of toys relative to the theme are put out. The kids tend to be intrigued by the new toys and do not get bored with them until the month is almost over.
        While the theme toys I may not have one of the exact thing for each child, If and when a problem arises. I do not set time limits but I explain that when so and so is all done playing, you will be the next to have a turn. In the meantime, please find another toy to use. In general moments later the child will hand the toy over and say "you can have a turn now, I am all done" When they do not..the other child usually finds something else and forgets about the toy he or she wanted. There are toys that some children are attached to hence why I try to have more than one of everything. This was actually the first thing I was taught and my twins remind me of the rule on a daily basis ::
        Apparently your approach worked like a charm - great job!!!

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        • momofsix
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 1846

          #5
          Perfect! So glad you found a solution that worked for him and your group.

          I don't limit dress up clothes. I don't have that many, but they usually go WITH other toys, such as princess dress is on the child being served breakfast in the kitchen, suit coat is on the person playing with the keyboard, hardhat and tool belt on the child building with blocks and tools...but not random toys with dress up on usually even though it's not a rule I have.

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          • daycare
            Advanced Daycare.com *********
            • Feb 2011
            • 16259

            #6
            we do rotation station..

            I have a lot of stuff, so I have to move things in and out of the DC room all of the time.

            So this week our stations were:
            math
            sensory
            dramatic play
            games
            zoo phonics
            art
            science

            Only one station comes out at a time during class, then at free play they can choose one station to play with. They have to stay in the station area with whatever it is they are using. EX no taking seneory stuff to the math station.

            I rotate all of my stuff out weekly. So something that may have been in the dress up bin one week, may not be there the next and something different may be in its place. so far I have never had any issues......

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            • Sugar Magnolia
              Blossoms Blooming
              • Apr 2011
              • 2647

              #7
              Originally posted by momofsix
              Perfect! So glad you found a solution that worked for him and your group.

              I don't limit dress up clothes. I don't have that many, but they usually go WITH other toys, such as princess dress is on the child being served breakfast in the kitchen, suit coat is on the person playing with the keyboard, hardhat and tool belt on the child building with blocks and tools...but not random toys with dress up on usually even though it's not a rule I have.
              I am HOPING to go back to unfettered access to dress up clothes eventually. It has never, ever been a problem. If they want to wear a police outfit while building blocks, or a pink dress while doing puzzles, fine. But this "limit" on the dress up clothes has to be enforced until the obsession with the dress wanes, IF it wanes. The MAIN THING I was concerned about was NOT giving the boy the impression that his like of the pink dress is "bad". I was afraid if I "disappeared" it, he would feel insecure and hurt or feel punished. That is the last thing he needs.

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              • nannyde
                All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
                • Mar 2010
                • 7320

                #8
                Originally posted by Sugar Magnolia
                About a half hour later, Girl X has the dress on. She has also been informed of the new rule, dress up clothes stay in the quiet area. Him: "is girl x allowed to play toys with the dress on?" Me: "nope". He is watching girl X like a hawk, but NO tantrums! Girl X is joined by Girl Y and also has a dress on. He watches intently. Girl X and Y are done in 10 mins. They put the dresses back. I praise them for doing a good job keeping dress up clothes in the quiet area. HE praises them too! About an hour later, the dress goes back on him. He stays put in quiet area. This time, he's done with it in 5 mins.
                Just keep in mind that these behaviors:

                Him: "is girl x allowed to play toys with the dress on?
                He is watching girl X like a hawk,
                Girl X is joined by Girl Y and also has a dress on. He watches intently
                HE praises them too!


                are all him DOING the dress.

                All of your discussions with him about the rules... all of his listening... all of his interaction and understanding of the new rules... is him DOING the dress. It's all the same to him.

                Whether he has it on or not these behaviors are the same to him in the fixation.

                So when you look at it from a whole day... count in ANY thing he says or does regarding the dress as the same as if he had it on. Any discussions you or anyone else has with him regarding the dress that are designed to help him understand it or accept it without tantrums to HIM is him doing the dress.

                That way you can see what portion of his day he is spending on the fixation.

                It's all one and the same... so you have to decide if in totality you can move him into having the same relationship with the toy that everyone else does. Come and go as you please... okay to have it .. okay not to. Okay for someone else to wear it... don't even notice if they do.

                Even though today is LESS in time of him wearing the dress that time was balanced out in his brain to how much attention/energy that was given to him regarding the dress. His time on the clock with him having it PLUS the adult/kids involvement/energy about it most likely left him square to what he normally gets out of the dress with his previous behavior.

                So over time this must lessen or your interceding is all for nothing.

                I'm not saying this because the toy is a pink dress. I would be given you identical advice if it was a purple gorrilla. They are one and the same.

                A fixation is a fixation and the human baby doesn't do well in a group/pack when allowed to fixate on something that belongs to the community. The fixation is ... in and of itself.. an escalation. The escalation will move his brain away from what he is there for in the first place... which is to receive good care and be around other human babies in a playing/learning environment.

                He can't DO both at the same. He can't have this fixation and receive from your environment what he is there for in the first place. It's impossible for him to have both. You know this because you brought it to us as an issue... because it IS an issue.
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                • ChaserT27

                  #9
                  OK so you are not going to believe this, however I get my mail today. I collect the Collectibles today babies. And I got a new one today..how odd considering the subject above
                  Pic attached for those interested! Goes to show the majority of the world's thought on the subject
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                  • QualiTcare
                    Advanced Daycare.com Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 1502

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sugar Magnolia
                    Well it went very well! As soon as he came in, he made a bee-line for the dress, as usual. I told him we needed to talk about dress up. (Mom heard the whole conversation and gave a thumbs up on the way out) This is how I explained it to him. "Boy X, I know you like to play dress up, but some of the new dress up clothes are getting torn because people play with other toys while wearing dress up clothes. From now on, dress up clothes must stay in the quiet area, so they don't get damaged. When you are done playing dress up in the quiet area, you hang them back up. If you want to play other things, you have to take dress up clothes off. If the dress gets ripped, it will have to get thrown away. See....look a loose thread already! So when you're done, you hang it up." He says ok. He puts on the dress. He admires himself in the mirror for awhile. He accesorizes and re-checks the mirror.

                    He plays with dolls and stuffed animals(they are in the quiet area too) and after 15 mins or so, starts to wander to the table where kids are doing puzzles. "Boy X, if you want to play puzzles, go hang up the dress." Him: "uhhhmmm I'm not done with it yet" me: ok, when you're done, come join us at the puzzle table." He lingers in the quiet area, dress on. Puzzles look soo fun though....he waits 5 more mins, takes the dress off and does some puzzles. NO TANTRUM!! About a half hour later, Girl X has the dress on. She has also been informed of the new rule, dress up clothes stay in the quiet area. Him: "is girl x allowed to play toys with the dress on?" Me: "nope". He is watching girl X like a hawk, but NO tantrums! Girl X is joined by Girl Y and also has a dress on. He watches intently. Girl X and Y are done in 10 mins. They put the dresses back. I praise them for doing a good job keeping dress up clothes in the quiet area. HE praises them too! About an hour later, the dress goes back on him. He stays put in quiet area. This time, he's done with it in 5 mins.

                    Now, if it continues to go this smoothly, the pink dress can stay and he can wear it within the limits of the quiet area. If not, and he regresses, the dress will get "torn" and disappear. If he (and all the other kids) are NOT allowed to wear the dress up stuff outside the quiet area, it will remove the enticement to go about his normal day wearing the pink dress. He wants to do activities and participate, he just wants to do them in a pink dress. But I am hoping this new policy will make the dress seem less attractive to him if he knows he can't wear it and play other things at the same time.

                    The Burning Question: do you all have a limit on when and where dress up clothes can be worn? I know its best to have most materials available for play at all times.... Do YOU all let kids dress up and stay dressed up while they do other activities? I am dying to know how you all handle dress up clothes! I have always let them play with dress up clothes freely, until the pink dress became an issue.
                    i've always hated the "area" rule. i DO like "centers" and i think limiting things to certain areas is necessary to an extent (mainly bc if a kid wants to read or rest, they don't want to be surrounded by kids playing Twister). i mean, it would defeat the purpose of having a block area if every single day all of the blocks got carried over to the quiet area (or whatever). but i think being fixated on certain things staying in certain areas and not being allowed to leave those areas not only hinders the kid's imaginations, but causes unnecessary stress for adults. if a kid is playing with blocks and they get an idea like, "hey, we could make this into a crib. lets go get a baby doll," and they're told, "no, the babies have to stay in the housekeeping area." i just have to ask WHY? maybe a kid dresses up like an adult (heels, purse, hat, etc) and decides they want to "go out to dinner" - oh, but they can't have "dinner" in housekeeping bc they have to take off the dress up clothes before they can go to the housekeeping center! i dunno - JMO.

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                    • Sugar Magnolia
                      Blossoms Blooming
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 2647

                      #11
                      Originally posted by nannyde
                      Just keep in mind that these behaviors:

                      Him: "is girl x allowed to play toys with the dress on?
                      He is watching girl X like a hawk,
                      Girl X is joined by Girl Y and also has a dress on. He watches intently
                      HE praises them too!


                      are all him DOING the dress.

                      All of your discussions with him about the rules... all of his listening... all of his interaction and understanding of the new rules... is him DOING the dress. It's all the same to him.

                      Whether he has it on or not these behaviors are the same to him in the fixation.

                      So when you look at it from a whole day... count in ANY thing he says or does regarding the dress as the same as if he had it on. Any discussions you or anyone else has with him regarding the dress that are designed to help him understand it or accept it without tantrums to HIM is him doing the dress.

                      That way you can see what portion of his day he is spending on the fixation.

                      It's all one and the same... so you have to decide if in totality you can move him into having the same relationship with the toy that everyone else does. Come and go as you please... okay to have it .. okay not to. Okay for someone else to wear it... don't even notice if they do.

                      Even though today is LESS in time of him wearing the dress that time was balanced out in his brain to how much attention/energy that was given to him regarding the dress. His time on the clock with him having it PLUS the adult/kids involvement/energy about it most likely left him square to what he normally gets out of the dress with his previous behavior.

                      So over time this must lessen or your interceding is all for nothing.

                      I'm not saying this because the toy is a pink dress. I would be given you identical advice if it was a purple gorrilla. They are one and the same.

                      A fixation is a fixation and the human baby doesn't do well in a group/pack when allowed to fixate on something that belongs to the community. The fixation is ... in and of itself.. an escalation. The escalation will move his brain away from what he is there for in the first place... which is to receive good care and be around other human babies in a playing/learning environment.

                      He can't DO both at the same. He can't have this fixation and receive from your environment what he is there for in the first place. It's impossible for him to have both. You know this because you brought it to us as an issue... because it IS an issue.
                      Only time will tell I suppose..... I spent maybe 3 minutes talking to him about the new rule. I spent about 5 minutes explaining the rule to other kids. Total time this boy spent "doing" the dress: maybe an hour, tops. Out of a ten hour day, 8 hours of being awake, I'd say it wasn't that bad. He was much easier to deal with today, and I didn't ONCE hear from him "that's mine!" or other girls saying "I want the dress! Boy X isn't sharing!". So I feel pretty good about it. But let's see how it goes....
                      I think there was a misconception that I am against "disappearing" things, but I'm not. But its a sensitive topic, and I feel strongly about the boy not feeling "punished" or that dresses are "bad". If he was obsessing over a purple gorilla, I'd disapper it for sure, you're right. But its a touchy area, and MAY have psycological implications later in life. I just want to do the right thing. Thanks for your help.

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                      • nannyde
                        All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 7320

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Sugar Magnolia
                        Only time will tell I suppose..... I spent maybe 3 minutes talking to him about the new rule. I spent about 5 minutes explaining the rule to other kids. Total time this boy spent "doing" the dress: maybe an hour, tops. Out of a ten hour day, 8 hours of being awake, I'd say it wasn't that bad. He was much easier to deal with today, and I didn't ONCE hear from him "that's mine!" or other girls saying "I want the dress! Boy X isn't sharing!". So I feel pretty good about it. But let's see how it goes....
                        I think there was a misconception that I am against "disappearing" things, but I'm not. But its a sensitive topic, and I feel strongly about the boy not feeling "punished" or that dresses are "bad". If he was obsessing over a purple gorilla, I'd disapper it for sure, you're right. But its a touchy area, and MAY have psycological implications later in life. I just want to do the right thing. Thanks for your help.
                        I think you are doing GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        That is a great improvement. It's "different" so the newness of it may carry him thru for a few days.

                        You said he was much easier to deal with. YES that's what happens when the leader sets boundaries.... the pack calms down. Boundaries are like big comforter blankets. Children NEED them

                        He may flitter for a while or pick something else.. only time will tell. The goal is to get him on to doing real play. He may also have a kiddie version of the stages of loss so be prepared for that. If he starts bargaining with you about it just be firm and redirect.

                        I wonder if his Dad is doing the "not my son"?
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                        • Sugar Magnolia
                          Blossoms Blooming
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 2647

                          #13
                          I have NO IDEA what dad thinks. I have only met him once, for 5 mins @ pick-up. Mom does not mention him, I don't ask. The boy sees dad for the weekend about once a month, and is usually out of sorts a little after the visit, but this is true for lots of kids of divorced parents. Excellent question though, wish I knew how dad felt. I want to thank you for pointing out to me that what mom does is moms business and its not my problem. And thanks EVERYONE!!!! But stay tuned! Lol!

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                          • Live and Learn
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 956

                            #14
                            Good job sugar magnolia!

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                            • Live and Learn
                              Daycare.com Member
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 956

                              #15
                              Originally posted by nannyde
                              Boundaries are like big comforter blankets. Children NEED them
                              I totally agree. Too bad more parents don't get this.

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