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  • daycare
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    • Feb 2011
    • 16259

    #31
    ok so I as stated before in my other post, looks like I need to make some changes. I am a freak about always trying to cover everything. I know that it is not possible and I tend to ramble...
    So do you only talk about Toliet training in your PHB? what about toileting for older children? like the ones already trained. What are your rules for them?

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    • daycare
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      • Feb 2011
      • 16259

      #32
      Originally posted by Country Kids
      What I'm not understanding is when providers say the parents have to start the potty training first or have the child almost potty trained before the provider starts working with the child on the toilet. When do these parents even have the time to do this. The are maybe only with their child 3 hours in the evening and a child MIGHT only need to go 2 times if they are lucky before betime. I had a 3 year old here today that only went 3 times in 9 hours. Yes, she was drinking and such but not needing to go to the bathroom. So I believe that when a parent wants their child to start potty training it is up to us to really get that child started because most children are in care 8-10 hours. We are with the child more waking hours than the parent so to make my job easier I would rather get the child going on the toilet.

      The age that you have to help a child depends on the child. I have a friend that her child didn't potty train till 2 weeks before kindergarden and they had been working with him for 2 years. The school said well if he isn't potty trained we will work with him. Yes, they were willing to take him in pull-ups in kindergarden because legally they can't turn him away. If he needed changed they would have taken him in a special bathroom and changed him if needed. All of a sudden the child wanted to go by himself and never had an accident since.
      the reason that I enforce the rule at home, is for two reasons
      1. not all of my kids are full time
      2. just like anything else, if the parents are not working on it at home then it is pointless, you are just spinning your wheels.

      Unless you offer care over the weekends, parents need to be on board and be the ones to make the BIG decision to start potty training so that it remains consistant.

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      • JenNJ
        Advanced Daycare.com Member
        • Jun 2010
        • 1212

        #33
        Originally posted by Country Kids
        What I'm not understanding is when providers say the parents have to start the potty training first or have the child almost potty trained before the provider starts working with the child on the toilet. When do these parents even have the time to do this. The are maybe only with their child 3 hours in the evening and a child MIGHT only need to go 2 times if they are lucky before betime. I had a 3 year old here today that only went 3 times in 9 hours. Yes, she was drinking and such but not needing to go to the bathroom. So I believe that when a parent wants their child to start potty training it is up to us to really get that child started because most children are in care 8-10 hours. We are with the child more waking hours than the parent so to make my job easier I would rather get the child going on the toilet.

        The age that you have to help a child depends on the child. I have a friend that her child didn't potty train till 2 weeks before kindergarden and they had been working with him for 2 years. The school said well if he isn't potty trained we will work with him. Yes, they were willing to take him in pull-ups in kindergarden because legally they can't turn him away. If he needed changed they would have taken him in a special bathroom and changed him if needed. All of a sudden the child wanted to go by himself and never had an accident since.
        Not my role. That is a PARENTAL REAPONSIBILITY! If they cannot find the time to potty train their child, that is just plain laziness and negligence. It is their job as parents to raise their child and have them ready for the world, not ours. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to assist but I can't parent every child who walks through my door.

        Potty training is not hard and not time consuming. But it requires the parent to become totally focused on the child's needs during the process - THAT is what parents find hard. Putting down the cell phones, unplugging the laptop, and spending real time working to better their child.

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        • Country Kids
          Nature Lover
          • Mar 2011
          • 5051

          #34
          Originally posted by JenNJ
          Not my role. That is a PARENTAL REAPONSIBILITY! If they cannot find the time to potty train their child, that is just plain laziness and negligence. It is their job as parents to raise their child and have them ready for the world, not ours. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to assist but I can't parent every child who walks through my door.

          Potty training is not hard and not time consuming. But it requires the parent to become totally focused on the child's needs during the process - THAT is what parents find hard. Putting down the cell phones, unplugging the laptop, and spending real time working to better their child.
          I just finished one with potty training. Her mom actually called and said thank you for potty training her. Believe me I was taken back because we had been working since September to potty train her. What happened was I was tired of changing wet pull-ups/poopy ones also and said why don't you start putting her in underwear and dresses. From day one she never had an accident. If I hadn't suggested that I would still be fighting the pull-up thing. I was all for making my life easier. Oh, and by the way the first day she was going in and doing it by herself-wiping and going poo the whole nine yards! Believe me I was so excited-its been a month! So by putting faith in her that she could do it we did it in the matter of a day. She also was doing the whole underwear thing at home also after that so the mom was calling me to thank me for doing that. If we had waited it would have been summer when mom wasn't teaching for her to be able to really work with her on a whole day basis. I figure that if I want it easier I need to do what is going to make it easier. Consistincey is the ticket and if they have a routine at childcare and doing the same thing everyday they will get it and then want to do it at home making the parents get off all of their cell phones, computors, and such. All 3 of mine are here 9-10 hours a day so that is why I might as well do it and help the families out. Another one is here 5-6 hours so a good chuch of time also so once again enough time to do that.
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          • daycare
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            • Feb 2011
            • 16259

            #35
            Originally posted by Country Kids
            I just finished one with potty training. Her mom actually called and said thank you for potty training her. Believe me I was taken back because we had been working since September to potty train her. What happened was I was tired of changing wet pull-ups/poopy ones also and said why don't you start putting her in underwear and dresses. From day one she never had an accident. If I hadn't suggested that I would still be fighting the pull-up thing. I was all for making my life easier. Oh, and by the way the first day she was going in and doing it by herself-wiping and going poo the whole nine yards! Believe me I was so excited-its been a month! So by putting faith in her that she could do it we did it in the matter of a day. She also was doing the whole underwear thing at home also after that so the mom was calling me to thank me for doing that. If we had waited it would have been summer when mom wasn't teaching for her to be able to really work with her on a whole day basis. I figure that if I want it easier I need to do what is going to make it easier. Consistincey is the ticket and if they have a routine at childcare and doing the same thing everyday they will get it and then want to do it at home making the parents get off all of their cell phones, computors, and such. All 3 of mine are here 9-10 hours a day so that is why I might as well do it and help the families out. Another one is here 5-6 hours so a good chuch of time also so once again enough time to do that.
            wow that is awesome, but unheard of. I would be scared out of my mind to let a child come here in just underware without being compeltely toilet trained...

            I have had pop from one end of my house to the next, pee on my carpet so many times in one month that I had to have the carpet cleaning guy come twice..

            I admire your desire to be so helpful, but this does not work for all of us. I know that would never work for me....

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            • Country Kids
              Nature Lover
              • Mar 2011
              • 5051

              #36
              Oh, she was potty trained in the meaning she new she had to go but lazy and knew that she could use the pull-up and not get all wet. Would even poop in it and then tell me she went. So that is why I knew we could do the underwear thing but what I find funny is that from day one we never had an accident. Like I said she even was going completely in by herself, wiping, pooping and wiping extremely good. She knew if she didn't she would be completely wet and she wouldn't like that. Pull-ups in my opinion are a crutch and really never used them. My kids went right from diapers to thick training pants but I worked with them all day long, not just a couple of hours a night. I think most of the kids in pull-ups would potty train if they were put in underwear/thick trainers and worked with constently by both parties. Parents didn't even know what a pull-up was till the mid 90's and if your child was still in a diaper by age 3 the parents were considered lazy or something was wrong with the child. Now its ok to have them in pull-ups-funny thing there is no difference-all a pull-up is is a diaper you pull-up. Might as well buy a bigger size diaper!
              Each day is a fresh start
              Never look back on regrets
              Live life to the fullest
              We only get one shot at this!!

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              • daycare
                Advanced Daycare.com *********
                • Feb 2011
                • 16259

                #37
                Originally posted by Country Kids
                Oh, she was potty trained in the meaning she new she had to go but lazy and knew that she could use the pull-up and not get all wet. Would even poop in it and then tell me she went. So that is why I knew we could do the underwear thing but what I find funny is that from day one we never had an accident. Like I said she even was going completely in by herself, wiping, pooping and wiping extremely good. She knew if she didn't she would be completely wet and she wouldn't like that. Pull-ups in my opinion are a crutch and really never used them. My kids went right from diapers to thick training pants but I worked with them all day long, not just a couple of hours a night. I think most of the kids in pull-ups would potty train if they were put in underwear/thick trainers and worked with constently by both parties. Parents didn't even know what a pull-up was till the mid 90's and if your child was still in a diaper by age 3 the parents were considered lazy or something was wrong with the child. Now its ok to have them in pull-ups-funny thing there is no difference-all a pull-up is is a diaper you pull-up. Might as well buy a bigger size diaper!
                I read a book all about changes in times with potty training..

                back in the day, lets say -50-60's just about all women stayed home with their children. There was great pressue by society for children to be potty trained at a very early age. Some methods were even very cruel, but you did not want to be that mom with the child age 2 still in diapers, being the hot topic at church.
                then as time went on, more mothers became employeed and there for diapers changed to become more absorbant so that the child could wear them for longer periods of time. more and more children were starting to enroll in group care so that their parents could work. It became more acceptable for children to be in diapers for a longer time, as both parents worked out of the home and started to become the norm.

                Pull-ups are not ever ment to be worn as diapers, they are less absrobant and are only supposed to catch one accident giving off a feeling of discomfort. but like you said, some kids dont' care how many time they went in their pants and will just use it like a diaper. I don't really care for pull ups, but I really do care that pee and poo get all over my house.
                I have the kids wear underwear first and then put the pull up over it... It has worked much better than just a pull up....well at least for me it has.

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                • Kaddidle Care
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 2090

                  #38
                  It depends on the child. Some aren't the most coordinated and I'll help them out if I see them getting frustrated or really dirty from the experience. 4 1/2-5 is my limit.

                  I knew someone that was still wiping for her 8 year old - I thought she was NUTS!

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                  • daycare
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                    • Feb 2011
                    • 16259

                    #39
                    and I thought that I needed to let go...... my son is 3


                    wow that is nuts

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