Quick Question About The Random Drug Test Post...

[Cat Herder]

Go RICO!!!!!!

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That is all.......

[Unregistered]

What makes you think weed isn't readily available now?? It is but at higher prices and lesser qualities than it would be if it was legalized and regulated. Weed is going through the same paces as alcohol did 100 years ago. 100 years ago Al Capone was one of the most wanted men in the USA and the world because he sold whisky. Now every cornerstore in the US sells it. What's changed with the liquor?? Nothing that I can see...its just the socially acceptable standard has changed.

Noone should drive while taking any type of perception altering substance. Alcohol, illegal drugs, legal drugs, huffable substances or whatever....the legality or illegality of the substance has NOTHING to do with my opinion on whether people should be driving. That's pretty much a given isn't it?? That people shouldn't drive all messed up? Technically we could included sleep deprived and emotionally distraught people since I don't think they should drive either.

My problem is that our governments are dragging their feet on legalizing weed when in comparison it's much less harmful than its legal and socially acceptable counterpart alcohol. They're also missing out on an opportunity to tax and control the drug which has a hugely useful and PROFITABLE "side product" of hemp which has hundreds of uses from clothing to paper. Missing an opportunity to relieve a strain on our criminal justice systems for all those tax payers dollars spend prosecution of every teen found with a gram in their pocket. In fact by not legalizing it they're contributing to the ease in which drug dealers find their customers.

Interesting argument! I think you hit the key phrase, though: social acceptability. That makes comparing the prohibition of alcohol and the illegality of marijuana hard for me to accept. Most American households used alcohol at one point or another, even if just for special occasions, before prohibition. At some points in history, alcohol was even necessary because drinking water wasn't very safe (ie, watered wine). While people may have used weed, it was always a fringe part of the population in the US. Apples and oranges, IMO. And part of the reason marijuana hasn't been legalized federally has a lot to do with how the governed see it, not the government.

If marijuana were legal, of course it would be more readily available. Oh, I know it's not hard to find now. Neither is meth (the big problem drug around here right now) and a host of others. Some growers who wouldn't want to take the risk of jail growing an illegal substance would jump at the chance to grow it legally. And when it's more readily available without penalty, more people are going to use it. Especially teens, even if we tell them they can't (one of the issues with teens and alcohol).

Now, I do think some of our mandatory sentencing laws are ridiculous, and that could be a place for some serious reform. And I think that there should be a federal amendment regarding medical marijuana--because that would make it easier for it to be prescribed and controlled, rather than the hodge-podge of state laws that allow for a lot of abuse by those who really don't need it.

[Unregistered]

If you have ever seen a baby neglected while the mother was high on pot, and the condition/environment the child was in you would probably have a whole different view on the subject. Sad Sad Sad..... no more to say. Seems like a lot of you are for this......sorry I am against.

[Meyou]

If you have ever seen a baby neglected while the mother was high on pot, and the condition/environment the child was in you would probably have a whole different view on the subject. Sad Sad Sad..... no more to say. Seems like a lot of you are for this......sorry I am against.

I've watched my father suffer the after effects of having an alcoholic father for the past 33 years of my life even though my grandfather died in a house fire 23 years ago that he set himself because he was drunk and smoking and passed out. I lost my best friend when I was 7 to a drunk driver.....he was carried 2 blocks on the hood of the drunks car after being hit on a crosswalk with his mother and brother. The guy got 18 months. Should I continue with more personal sob stories to make my point more tragic than yours?

A neglected child has parents with issues...regardless of drug use. People with substance abuse problems have issues. If you want to make that argument every child ever beaten by a drunken father should be a perfect example to ban alcohol. Rather than use shock and awe to make your point perhaps you can say sometime concrete.

[Meyou]

Interesting argument! I think you hit the key phrase, though: social acceptability. That makes comparing the prohibition of alcohol and the illegality of marijuana hard for me to accept. Most American households used alcohol at one point or another, even if just for special occasions, before prohibition. At some points in history, alcohol was even necessary because drinking water wasn't very safe (ie, watered wine). While people may have used weed, it was always a fringe part of the population in the US. Apples and oranges, IMO. And part of the reason marijuana hasn't been legalized federally has a lot to do with how the governed see it, not the government.

If marijuana were legal, of course it would be more readily available. Oh, I know it's not hard to find now. Neither is meth (the big problem drug around here right now) and a host of others. Some growers who wouldn't want to take the risk of jail growing an illegal substance would jump at the chance to grow it legally. And when it's more readily available without penalty, more people are going to use it. Especially teens, even if we tell them they can't (one of the issues with teens and alcohol).

Now, I do think some of our mandatory sentencing laws are ridiculous, and that could be a place for some serious reform. And I think that there should be a federal amendment regarding medical marijuana--because that would make it easier for it to be prescribed and controlled, rather than the hodge-podge of state laws that allow for a lot of abuse by those who really don't need it.

This is just a quick google search:
http://brainz.org/420-milestones-history-marijuana/

There is a long history of use all over the world. Just because there has been a anti-drug campaign (for those drugs governments find convenient to pursue) for less than the last century doesn't mean we should dismiss 1000's of years of history. Especially when we legalize things much worse.

[dEHmom]

"side product" of hemp

I like EVERYTHING you said Meyou and you said it way better than I could've ever attempted to.


But you had one point quoted above I'd like to correct you on

Hemp is a cousin of the weed plant. Neither one of them is the same. Hemp gets a bad name because of it's relationship with Marijuana, although they are nothing more than just cousins

[dEHmom]

If you have ever seen a baby neglected while the mother was high on pot, and the condition/environment the child was in you would probably have a whole different view on the subject. Sad Sad Sad..... no more to say. Seems like a lot of you are for this......sorry I am against.

And again...

Your points come down to the irresponsible people.

ANYONE can neglect a baby, whether stoned, drunk or sober.

There are many people out there who should've never been allowed to breed, unfortunately, we can't stop that.

Cigarettes and alcohol are available to the young children. But there are laws against selling to minors, and whoever does should be caught and prosecuted. HOWEVER...who would you rather a child receive something like alcohol or drugs from IF they choose to go out and get it anyways? from some punk on the street who more than likely laced it? OR from a store with a crooked clerk who turns a blind eye to the age? If a teenager wants it, a teenager will get it. No matter where it's from. Drug dealer on the street in a bad neighborhood, or the local grocery/corner store.

[missnikki]

I like EVERYTHING you said Meyou and you said it way better than I could've ever attempted to.


But you had one point quoted above I'd like to correct you on

Hemp is a cousin of the weed plant. Neither one of them is the same. Hemp gets a bad name because of it's relationship with Marijuana, although they are nothing more than just cousins

If you've ever worn hemp, lemme tell ya...it is very scratchy and uncomfortable.

It is fabulous however for paper, twine/rope and canvas. A hugely renewable resource- moreso than bamboo (it grows like a weed!)

[dEHmom]

If you've ever worn hemp, lemme tell ya...it is very scratchy and uncomfortable.

It is fabulous however for paper, twine/rope and canvas. A hugely renewable resource- moreso than bamboo (it grows like a weed!)

hahahahahahaha
I was the one promoting the hemp seeds(hearts) and oils and such. I think hemp is such an amazing superfood, and now it is everywhere. Seems like all my preaching about it on daycare.com got it somewhere!

[missnikki]

hahahahahahaha
I was the one promoting the hemp seeds(hearts) and oils and such. I think hemp is such an amazing superfood, and now it is everywhere. Seems like all my preaching about it on daycare.com got it somewhere!

OK this better not get out people... I was a 'Hemp Fairy' at a NORML NHA (National Hemp Alliance) rally in Los Angeles a couple of times back in college...

So funny! That info stays in this room, I swear!

[dEHmom]

OK this better not get out people... I was a 'Hemp Fairy' at a NORML NHA (National Hemp Alliance) rally in Los Angeles a couple of times back in college...

So funny! That info stays in this room, I swear!

hahahahah lips are sealed...



hey did you hear about miss nikki? ahahah jk.

[Meyou]

If you've ever worn hemp, lemme tell ya...it is very scratchy and uncomfortable.

It is fabulous however for paper, twine/rope and canvas. A hugely renewable resource- moreso than bamboo (it grows like a weed!)

You've never felt good hemp fabric then and you're missing out!! It is by far the most delightful, soft fabric I have ever sewed with. It wears and washes better than cotton, doesn't pill and drapes like a dream. I'm drooling just thinking about sewing it's overpriced goodness.

DEHmom - you're totally right about hemp being a cousin. I should have been more specific that since the growing requirements for both plants are so similar we're missing out on the whole industry and it's applications. Hemp is dismissed and underused because of it's relationship with marijuana. Also because there are so closely related there is a great possibility that they non0smokable or eatable parts of the marijuana plant could be used for other applications like paper.