Throwing Toys Over The Gate

[jen]

Nannyde...I'm sure you've probably explained this somewhere on this site, maybe I missed it, I'm just curious why you state no poor children research?

I understand often these studies are probably mostly subjected to lower income families. But what is "poor" and why not?


It's not an attack, I am simply curious to your reasoning.

We've always been middle class, but OFTEN middle class (at least here) is the hardest class to be in. I've pondered becoming part of the lower class, and seen how much it would benefit me and my children to do so. Yes I said benefit. The only drawback, I am too proud. I have morals. So I cannot do this.

I know you didn't ask me, but I have a great article on children and poverty that I thought I'd share.

The reason that (I'm guessing) Nan doesn't want studies that include or are based on children living in poverty is because poverty changes everything about a way a child develops...

http://www.epi.umn.edu/mch/resources/hg/hg_childpoverty.pdf

[dEHmom]

I know you didn't ask me, but I have a great article on children and poverty that I thought I'd share.

The reason that (I'm guessing) Nan doesn't want studies that include or are based on children living in poverty is because poverty changes everything about a way a child develops...

http://www.epi.umn.edu/mch/resources...ildpoverty.pdf

Thanks Jen.

While I can probably guess myself as to some of the reasons as well, I will definitely check that article out.


Just also wondering, Nannyde...do you ask parents their income ? OR do you just know because of the rates you have?

[jen]

This goes back to some of the earlier posts regarding the individuality of children. Obviously, we do want to respect that, although, I didn't really see anyone suggest otherwise...

Anywhoo...The US is very focused on the individual, other cultures are much less so. We are probably all starting to see a more diverse clientel and as such should really be aware that many of those kids are being raised to respect and consider the rights of the group above their personal wants.

It's interesting that we take the whole "individual" thing to such an extent. I wonder if we don't do it at times to the detriment of the whole.

Sorry, random thought..

[nannyde]

Nannyde...I'm sure you've probably explained this somewhere on this site, maybe I missed it, I'm just curious why you state no poor children research?

I understand often these studies are probably mostly subjected to lower income families. But what is "poor" and why not?


It's not an attack, I am simply curious to your reasoning.

We've always been middle class, but OFTEN middle class (at least here) is the hardest class to be in. I've pondered becoming part of the lower class, and seen how much it would benefit me and my children to do so. Yes I said benefit. The only drawback, I am too proud. I have morals. So I cannot do this.

If you have time read the JoAnne's fabric thread. That will explain it.

[Unregistered]

Ok

This thread took a strange turn!

In regard to toys being thrown over the gate, I don't pick them up. I either leave them there or I put them away. My kids know that they won't get the toy back so they don't throw. I have no problem with them filling and dumping buckets as long as the toys get put away after the kids are done playing with them.

I don't believe that having a formal education means that the educated provider will be better at it. One of the worst daycare providers that I Have ever worked with had a degree in early childhood education. Sure, she knew the textbook stuff but when it was time to apply what she learned, she was terrible at it. She expected children to conform to what she learned in class. On the other hand, the experienced provider isn't necessarily better than the provider with the degree. It's easy to fall into the same routine when you've been doing the same job for so long. Sometimes the enthusiasm that a person once had for their profession dies down. That's were we could all help each other. We all have things that we can learn from each other but that will only happen if we can all put our egos aside and just listen to each other. It doesn't mean that we always have to agree. It just means that it's a good thing to consider other peoples opinions. It's the respectful thing to do.

FWIW, I have formal training and a lot of experience but I still have a lot to learn so I welcome opinions. For those of you who may feel like a lack of formal training makes you less of a provider, stop thinking that way! Not all things can be learned from a book or a class. For those of you who have degrees, don't dismiss the advice of your fellow providers just because you have the education. You could be missing out on a lot of good information.

[dEHmom]

Thanks, yeah, I think I've read the majority of that thread. I remember reading something like that before now that you've mentioned it.

Funny, twice today that Joannes fabric thread came up, I mentioned it (I put craft store thread), and you mentioned it. .

[MaryPoppins]

I visit 3 other childcare/pre-school forums and on two of them they have links to this site making fun of the all out word-wars/arguments that go on on this site! Some frequent comments include:
"Check out the rudeness of posters on this site!"
"Read this link (Daycare.com) and see why providers get no respect."
"As a parent, I would be livid if my provider alked like this!"
"I can't believe how full of themselves some of the people on this site are; and they call themselves teachers!!!"
"Most it is on the level of 'My dad can beat up your dad' mentality."

Just thought you guys would want to know! LOL!!!

I'm new here and quite frankly, am not sure this is the forum for me. Could you list the other forums you use that are better? Thanks so much!

[nannyde]

Thanks Jen.

While I can probably guess myself as to some of the reasons as well, I will definitely check that article out.


Just also wondering, Nannyde...do you ask parents their income ? OR do you just know because of the rates you have?

No I don't ask that. I have had some parents I've helped with getting resources for their child so their income comes up in the conversation but not anything to do with coming here.

There are parents that can easily afford it and some who make a conscious decision that they are going to pay it and do without in other areas. These parents do whatever it takes to make it work.

[nannyde]

"DAP" is a marketed product that funds a political organization. I am very familiar.

There is a lot of money in DAP. BELIEVE IT