Fingerprinting

[kidsncats]

I'm not real keen on the idea of stopping in at my local UPS store and letting them scan/ink my fingerprints. Really not what I'd call a great idea.

I'm opposed to the whole fingerprinting for background checks thing as a whole -adults and or underage.

Next they'll want a swab of DNA and that's when I'll quit this circus.

[Country Kids]

Our state just changed background checks and fingerprinting till every 5 years.

Since it is going into effect this month and I had mine done last year I won't have mine done for 7 years.

They need to keep it at every two years.

Finger printing is so it goes into the national data base I believe and not just your states.

[Blackcat31]

I'm not real keen on the idea of stopping in at my local UPS store and letting them scan/ink my fingerprints. Really not what I'd call a great idea.

I'm opposed to the whole fingerprinting for background checks thing as a whole -adults and or underage.

Next they'll want a swab of DNA and that's when I'll quit this circus.

Why? They (the UPS store) are approved to do so.
It's no different than getting passport.

I guess I don't see an issue with fingerprinting at all.
I understood the issue for minor children but since they've changed the rules on that, it's no longer an issue either unless the child provides direct care to daycare children and if that is the case, they too should be fingerprinted.

I think from a provider perspective it seems invasive but from a parent perspective I really see nothing wrong with this safety measure.

[MarinaVanessa]

If it bothers you find out if they do it at your Sherrif's office. That's where I had mine done (CA)

[kidsncats]

It annoys me that, after caring for children for 30 years, I'm now being elevated to a status that's similar to someone who's being arrested for illegal activity.

It's intrusive, and probably pushing the boundaries of what's considered private information. If the UPS store doesn't delete the fingerprint data. If the County's server is hacked. If some business down the road requires my fingerprints to open an account, and now they're out there being sold on the dark web then there goes my identity.

I'm not a criminal. I've no priors. I think it's intrusive and violates my privacy.

[storybookending]

How can your identity be stolen from a copy of your fingerprints? Everyone’s fingerprint is unique. It’s not like anyone can leave your prints at the scene of a crime themselves. If you aren’t doing or planning on doing any illegal activity I don’t see the harm.

[kidsncats]

How? I'm sure people said the same thing about social security numbers and stolen identities.

I've worked at the same address for 30 years with a new background check done every two years. They can pass me by on this fingerprinting crap.

Let's just say I don't want my fingerprints stored on the same FBI database as the criminals prints are stored.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/09/little-fanfare-fbi-ramps-biometrics-programs-yet-again-part-1

..."This seems part of an ever-growing movement toward cataloguing information on everyone in America—and a movement that won’t end with fingerprints. With the launch of the face recognition component of NGI, employers and agencies will be able to submit a photograph along with prints as part of the standard background check. As we’ve noted before, one of FBI’s stated goals for NGI is to be able to track people as they move from one location to another. Having a robust database of face photos, built out using non-criminal records, will only make that goal even easier to achieve.

This change will impact a broad swath of Americans. It’s not just prospective police officers or childcare workers who have to submit to fingerprint background checks. In Texas, for example, you’ll need to give the government your prints if you want to be an engineer, doctor, realtor, stockbroker, attorney, or even an architect. The California Department of Justice says it submits 1.2 million sets of civil prints to the FBI annually. And, since 1953, all jobs with the federal government have required a fingerprint check—not just for jobs requiring a security clearance, but even for part-time food service workers, student interns, designers, customer service representatives, and maintenance workers..."

[storybookending]

Ah fear mongering.

I suggest you retire.

[kidsncats]

Do you suppose any one out there brought up the case of stolen identities when the cable company, phone company and insurance company all decided to ask for customer's social security numbers.

First of all, they didn't report income for their customers so no, they didn't need them.

My point is our identities are at risk.

[hwichlaz]

Our state just changed background checks and fingerprinting till every 5 years.

Since it is going into effect this month and I had mine done last year I won't have mine done for 7 years.

They need to keep it at every two years.

Finger printing is so it goes into the national data base I believe and not just your states.

Ours is once. But licensing has some kind of a subscription service in that they’ll get notified if you commit a crime any time in the future, unless you don’t renew your license.

[hwichlaz]

California has been requiring it for decades. But only for adults.

[hwichlaz]

I'm not real keen on the idea of stopping in at my local UPS store and letting them scan/ink my fingerprints. Really not what I'd call a great idea.

I'm opposed to the whole fingerprinting for background checks thing as a whole -adults and or underage.

Next they'll want a swab of DNA and that's when I'll quit this circus.

How do you keep people with violent criminal convictions from doing childcare without a background check?

[MarinaVanessa]

It annoys me that, after caring for children for 30 years, I'm now being elevated to a status that's similar to someone who's being arrested for illegal activity.

It's intrusive, and probably pushing the boundaries of what's considered private information. If the UPS store doesn't delete the fingerprint data. If the County's server is hacked. If some business down the road requires my fingerprints to open an account, and now they're out there being sold on the dark web then there goes my identity.

I'm not a criminal. I've no priors. I think it's intrusive and violates my privacy.

You don't understand how the fingerprinting works. Yes you are being placed into "the system" but getting fingerprinting is licensing checking your fingerprints to verify that you are not a criminal, not accusing you that you are one. Then, if you do commit a crime, as soon as your fingerprints are scanned during booking licensing is alerted and if the charge is offensive enough (child endangerment, drugs, violence, sexual etc) then they can act swiftly and suspend the license and conduct their own evaluation of the provider and program as well as decide to wait to see what the verdict comes out to.

The system is put in place to keep kids safe, not to accuse you or treat you as a criminal. What I don't agree with is the states where minors have to be subjected to fingerprinting.

[MarinaVanessa]

Do you suppose any one out there brought up the case of stolen identities when the cable company, phone company and insurance company all decided to ask for customer's social security numbers.

First of all, they didn't report income for their customers so no, they didn't need them.

My point is our identities are at risk.

They can ask for it but you don't have to give it. Just like hospitals and medical doctors. They ask for it in case you don't pay your bill so they can sue you or send you to collections but you don't have to give it. I don't.

[hwichlaz]

You don't understand how the fingerprinting works. Yes you are being placed into "the system" but getting fingerprinting is licensing checking your fingerprints to verify that you are not a criminal, not accusing you that you are one. Then, if you do commit a crime, as soon as your fingerprints are scanned during booking licensing is alerted and if the charge is offensive enough (child endangerment, drugs, violence, sexual etc) then they can act swiftly and suspend the license and conduct their own evaluation of the provider and program as well as decide to wait to see what the verdict comes out to.

The system is put in place to keep kids safe, not to accuse you or treat you as a criminal. What I don't agree with is the states where minors have to be subjected to fingerprinting.

yeah....all of that but especially the bold