CA- new immunization laws rolling out.

[daycare]

So I have a few families that do not immunize at this time and am not too sure where to start with all of this.


As of Jan 1, we will be required to enforce the new law http://www.shotsforschool.org/laws/sb277faq/


any ideas on how I will need to start enforcing this? how are the rest of yu dealing with it?

thanks so much

[Annalee]

So I have a few families that do not immunize at this time and am not too sure where to start with all of this.


As of Jan 1, we will be required to enforce the new law http://www.shotsforschool.org/laws/sb277faq/


any ideas on how I will need to start enforcing this? how are the rest of yu dealing with it?

thanks so much

WOW, I wonder if any other states will follow.

[daycare]

so I just found out that those kids already enrolled are grandfathered in BUT will have to have them completed in order to start kinder.

the only way out of them, is if they home school themselves. they can not attend another person's house to be home schooled, the state will consider that in-home daycare.

so I am off the hook with the families I have here, but any new family coming in, they will have to have them or will have to start them right away and supply a physician's note that they will be on track to have all immunizations moving forward.

all medical exemptions will be temporary for children unless it is a serious medical condition. so if you are sick at the time you are to get it, you must get a doctors note and will have to get it as soon as you are better.

[nanglgrl]

I bet a lot of people will be scrambling to get the personal belief exemption before January 1st!

[CalCare]

Yeah its horrible. I vaccinate and I won't go into debate on it, but I think it's terrible that the people are being forced to vaccinate or no school or daycare. And we teachers and parent volunteers all have to too. I wrote to Das Williams asking him to not sign! So, its over now and no personal belief exemptions are allowed anymore. Already went into effect at the elementary school my kids are in. Those families that aren't vaccinated are only 'grandfathered in' if they were already enrolled before this and when they switch to the middle school, they will be forced to vaccinate or homeschool. I feel that this is a hardship for the disadvantaged. Lower income, single parents, all those who can't easily take off work and take care of vaccines on schedule will end up having to homeschooling until they sort it out (meaning suddenly days off work and they won't homeschooling probably, they'll just be at home). It seems like a disaster. As for childcare, idk how it will effect fcc, centers or schools yet. Being in Santa Barbara, we have a high number of non-vaccinated kids! Even when people choose to do delayed schedule to space them out more or if they choose to decline one vaccine- that's not accepted.

As for how to handle it, at the elementary school, kids must bring in vacc records for enrollment. No records, no enrollment. You would do the same at fcc I assume.

[daycare]

Yeah its horrible. I vaccinate and I won't go into debate on it, but I think it's terrible that the people are being forced to vaccinate or no school or daycare. And we teachers and parent volunteers all have to too. I wrote to Das Williams asking him to not sign! So, its over now and no personal belief exemptions are allowed anymore. Already went into effect at the elementary school my kids are in. Those families that aren't vaccinated are only 'grandfathered in' if they were already enrolled before this and when they switch to the middle school, they will be forced to vaccinate or homeschool. I feel that this is a hardship for the disadvantaged. Lower income, single parents, all those who can't easily take off work and take care of vaccines on schedule will end up having to homeschooling until they sort it out (meaning suddenly days off work and they won't homeschooling probably, they'll just be at home). It seems like a disaster. As for childcare, idk how it will effect fcc, centers or schools yet. Being in Santa Barbara, we have a high number of non-vaccinated kids! Even when people choose to do delayed schedule to space them out more or if they choose to decline one vaccine- that's not accepted.

As for how to handle it, at the elementary school, kids must bring in vacc records for enrollment. No records, no enrollment. You would do the same at fcc I assume.

yes you are correct, if they don't have them they can't enroll.

I was just wondering about the kids that were already enrolled. I was not sure if I would have to enforce anything and the good news is that I don't. It's all out of my hands until they get to kinder.

BTW there are FREE vax clinics all over the place that are open 6 days a week, so really there is no reason why a child would not be able to get them.

I live in SF bay area. the clinics are every where here.

[Controlled Chaos]

Yeah its horrible. I vaccinate and I won't go into debate on it, but I think it's terrible that the people are being forced to vaccinate or no school or daycare. And we teachers and parent volunteers all have to too. I wrote to Das Williams asking him to not sign! So, its over now and no personal belief exemptions are allowed anymore. Already went into effect at the elementary school my kids are in. Those families that aren't vaccinated are only 'grandfathered in' if they were already enrolled before this and when they switch to the middle school, they will be forced to vaccinate or homeschool. I feel that this is a hardship for the disadvantaged. Lower income, single parents, all those who can't easily take off work and take care of vaccines on schedule will end up having to homeschooling until they sort it out (meaning suddenly days off work and they won't homeschooling probably, they'll just be at home). It seems like a disaster. As for childcare, idk how it will effect fcc, centers or schools yet. Being in Santa Barbara, we have a high number of non-vaccinated kids! Even when people choose to do delayed schedule to space them out more or if they choose to decline one vaccine- that's not accepted.

As for how to handle it, at the elementary school, kids must bring in vacc records for enrollment. No records, no enrollment. You would do the same at fcc I assume.

I am not arguing pro or anti vax but I disagree. From what I have read it is mostly upperclass, educated white families choosing to not vaccinate. You have to be up to date on vaccinations to use WIC, and there are tons of ways to get free vaccinations if you legitimately can't afford it.

I had one family that didn't vaccinate because they were SURE it would give their child autism (even thought as a 4 year old it would give him autism) BUT if they couldn't send their child to public school I am sure mom would have gotten it done in a heart beat. SHE sure didn't want to be home with her child all day!

I am curious to watch CA go through this transition. Its interesting legally.

[daycare]

I am not arguing pro or anti vax but I disagree. From what I have read it is mostly upperclass, educated white families choosing to not vaccinate. You have to be up to date on vaccinations to use WIC, and there are tons of ways to get free vaccinations if you legitimately can't afford it.

I had one family that didn't vaccinate because they were SURE it would give their child autism (even thought as a 4 year old it would give him autism) BUT if they couldn't send their child to public school I am sure mom would have gotten it done in a heart beat. SHE sure didn't want to be home with her child all day!

I am curious to watch CA go through this transition. Its interesting legally.

I agree. all of my clients that do not vax are extremely educated parents very well to do and feel that they are unsafe for their child.

it is going to be interesting to watch.

[sharlan]

Not doubting you, but I haven't heard about this yet. Can you show me where it is written?

[CalCare]

Yes, definitely agree there are many of that demographic that are the non-vaxed- that's what I meant by mentioning that I'm in Santa Barbara and we have tons of non-vaxxed kids. This place has a very high education and income. I don't remember the numbers right now, but I seem to remember the majority are college educated and the median income is something like $73k.

I just meant (in addition to be disturbed at forcing injections on people) that it is an unfair hurdle for those that rely on public transportation, work full time, etc. It can be hard to get to appts or clinics just thinking of some families that I personally know. I think it's going to create a hardship for people in that position and then they won't have school- and free public school is supposed to be a right.

I'd be interested to know what the actual numbers are comparing those that intentionally don't vax and those that don't vax for other reasons.

I'm definitely not arguing for or against- don't get me wrong. Just the mandate concerns me.

[CalCare]

I found this to help inform (Sharlan and anyone)

http://www.shotsforschool.org/child-care/

And if you click on "tools for preschool/childcare" there is more info and a link to a handbook to give parents.

This explains the new law, but only the one about the kids, not the one about staff

http://www.shotsforschool.org/laws/sb277faq/

[daycare]

Not doubting you, but I haven't heard about this yet. Can you show me where it is written?

it is law sb277

[CalCare]

and sb279 for childcare workers and parent volunteers

[mommyneedsadayoff]

Not a fan of forcing injections on people. Maybe homeschooling will get a boost, though. I keep seeing more and more reasons everyday to homeschool, so just add this to the list

[Unregistered]

yes you are correct, if they don't have them they can't enroll.

I was just wondering about the kids that were already enrolled. I was not sure if I would have to enforce anything and the good news is that I don't. It's all out of my hands until they get to kinder.

BTW there are FREE vax clinics all over the place that are open 6 days a week, so really there is no reason why a child would not be able to get them.

I live in SF bay area. the clinics are every where here.

There's no excuse unless there's a medical condition. I hope all the states follow suit.