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  • NillaWafers
    Daycare.com Member
    • Oct 2014
    • 593

    Wwyd?

    OK, so I wrote about this kid before, but I'm reaching the end of my rope. A few of you said just to grin and bear it but it's becoming an issue not only for me, but for the other kids. My main issue is mostly naptime. Before this girl came, we would go down and read out books at 12:30, everyone would be out by 1. This was great.

    New girl came and she just BAWLS during naptime. It's now been almost 2 months and its the same thing every day. She lays down and reads her book for 5 minutes. She tries to get up and leave the room, I place her back in her mat and she absolutely melts down. I give her her book and she'll calm down for a bit, rinse/repeat. Eventually I take away the book because she's just screaming her head off either way. So now she's screaming about me taking away her book instead of screaming about being made to lay down at naptime. She eventually just falls asleep, sometimes mid-wail. The more tired she is, it seems the more she fights me. She gets dropped off at 6:30-7 which I don't think is really that early for a 1pm nap. She is so loud everyone is kept up, even when she's in another room. She ends up keeping the majority of the kids up 30 mins past naptime is supposed to start (so 1:30 instead of 1). Her mom is adamant that I make her sleep with the others cus "she is not a special snowflake", which I honestly agree with. DCG has never been in care before so maybe she will eventually get over it? I have honestly come to dread naptime now because of her alone.

    Her parents are divorcing and I've been told dad will not give her naps when he has her on the weekend. She will cry and he will say "Oh, guess you're not tired" and let her stay up. I feel this may be the source of this all because she thinks if she cries hard and long enough I'll give in just like dad? Her mom is more strict, but still sits with her and rubs her back to get her to sleep. At least she doesn't just give in when she cries I guess.

    ETA: I've gotten her to sleep without crying exactly two times in the last 2 months. Both times I patted her back, but it doesn't seem to be sometimes that is fail safe, since I try this every day and it doesn't work.

    Would you term over this? I really love her mom, she is down to earth and laid back. DCG is pretty good almost anytime that I don't have to redirect or correct her (she bawls at these times too). I actually enjoy her when she is not doing things like pulling seedlings out of my vegetable garden, or saying "mama" under her breath constantly. I'm very conflicted, don't know how much more I can handle the screaming at nap.
  • Thriftylady
    Daycare.com Member
    • Aug 2014
    • 5884

    #2
    Considering you love mom, I would have a long talk with her about it. Tell her it is disrupting the program and something needs to change. See if you can brainstorm some ideas together, and write it up into a two week probation (or however many you choose). After two months, I hate to say I would probably be done, given the inconsistency and such.

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    • daycare
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      • Feb 2011
      • 16259

      #3
      how old is this child?

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      • NillaWafers
        Daycare.com Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 593

        #4
        Originally posted by daycare
        how old is this child?
        For some reason I thought I wrote it but I guess I didn't. She's 2.5

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        • mommyneedsadayoff
          Daycare.com Member
          • Jan 2015
          • 1754

          #5
          Originally posted by NillaWafers
          For some reason I thought I wrote it but I guess I didn't. She's 2.5
          I have a 2 year old dcg and she can barely make it to lunch before she starts melting down for naps. I would either lay her down right when she gets there for at least and hour or move her nap time to 12, if possible. I wouldn't even give her a book. She needs to sleep, not read, and she obviously needs it. I would put her in another room if possible, regardless of mom's wishes. Tell mom that once she can settle down quickly and lay for nap like everyone else, she will earn the privelege of napping with the others. Till then, she won't be allowed to compromise the nap of everyone else, just because mom wants it. If she is in a separate room, then she goes down at 12/12:30 and while she is fussing, you get the others down. Leave her be. She will figure it out

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          • daycare
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            • Feb 2011
            • 16259

            #6
            Originally posted by NillaWafers
            For some reason I thought I wrote it but I guess I didn't. She's 2.5
            so if she gets to your house at 630 -7 what time is she getting up. It sounds like she may be really over tired.

            I read a sleep cycle study for children that says children in this age group should be on a 4.5-5.5 hour sleep cycle.

            So if a child wakes up at 730am then around 1230 they are ready to go back to sleep. If they sleep for 2 hours, and wake up around 230, then at 730 would be about ready to go back to sleep.

            So I think that if the child is getting up that early, 1pm is a long time to be awake.

            NONE of my daycare kids nap on weekends or when they are not with me, but they all nap here with ZERO issue. I have never had a nap issue where a kid would scream through nap time, so I may not have the best help to give...

            Maybe try laying her down earlier?? my only thought

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            • NillaWafers
              Daycare.com Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 593

              #7
              Originally posted by daycare
              so if she gets to your house at 630 -7 what time is she getting up. It sounds like she may be really over tired.

              I read a sleep cycle study for children that says children in this age group should be on a 4.5-5.5 hour sleep cycle.

              So if a child wakes up at 730am then around 1230 they are ready to go back to sleep. If they sleep for 2 hours, and wake up around 230, then at 730 would be about ready to go back to sleep.

              So I think that if the child is getting up that early, 1pm is a long time to be awake.

              NONE of my daycare kids nap on weekends or when they are not with me, but they all nap here with ZERO issue. I have never had a nap issue where a kid would scream through nap time, so I may not have the best help to give...

              Maybe try laying her down earlier?? my only thought
              That may be true. Maybe if I put her down right after lunch and read to the kids while she settles it may be better. I would even be willing to mess with my schedule a bit to see if we can go down earlier - I really do like her. I just HATE this battle of wills over nap.

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              • daycare
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                • Feb 2011
                • 16259

                #8
                Originally posted by NillaWafers
                That may be true. Maybe if I put her down right after lunch and read to the kids while she settles it may be better. I would even be willing to mess with my schedule a bit to see if we can go down earlier - I really do like her. I just HATE this battle of wills over nap.
                and I agree with the other PP. have her nap in another room and just let her soothe herself to sleep. I don't allow screaming. I will say you can be sad, mad____(fill in the blank), but you may not scream.

                I would check on her to see that she is safe and say not a word. If you need to say anything just say softly, you're safe, go to sleep.

                if you try it out for another 2 weeks and you see no improvement, then maybe I would consider at that time letting her go.

                sorry you are having to go through this...

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                • NillaWafers
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 593

                  #9
                  Hmm the more I think about it the more I think you guys may be right. She is fine every morning, mom drops off - no tears. But right after we come in from being outside (around 10:30-11:00) she starts crying and whining for her mom. I'm gonna hazard a guess that's she's getting sleepy and just doesn't know what to do. I'm so glad I decided to post about this before I made any decisions! This place is invaluable

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                  • Snowmom
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • Jan 2015
                    • 1689

                    #10
                    I do agree, it sounds as if she's overly tired and needs either an earlier nap or a quick cat nap in the morning.

                    I would also flat out tell her screaming is not allowed. 2.5 is old enough to understand the rules.

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                    • NillaWafers
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 593

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Snowmom
                      I do agree, it sounds as if she's overly tired and needs either an earlier nap or a quick cat nap in the morning.

                      I would also flat out tell her screaming is not allowed. 2.5 is old enough to understand the rules.
                      Oh believe me, I've told her. And told her. She is used to getting her way with her dad.

                      Today I am going to try moving nap to 12, which means lunch at 11. I will be putting her down in my boys room by herself. Wish me luck.

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                      • daycarediva
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 11698

                        #12
                        Originally posted by mommyneedsadayoff
                        I have a 2 year old dcg and she can barely make it to lunch before she starts melting down for naps. I would either lay her down right when she gets there for at least and hour or move her nap time to 12, if possible. I wouldn't even give her a book. She needs to sleep, not read, and she obviously needs it. I would put her in another room if possible, regardless of mom's wishes. Tell mom that once she can settle down quickly and lay for nap like everyone else, she will earn the privelege of napping with the others. Till then, she won't be allowed to compromise the nap of everyone else, just because mom wants it. If she is in a separate room, then she goes down at 12/12:30 and while she is fussing, you get the others down. Leave her be. She will figure it out
                        Originally posted by daycare
                        and I agree with the other PP. have her nap in another room and just let her soothe herself to sleep. I don't allow screaming. I will say you can be sad, mad____(fill in the blank), but you may not scream.

                        I would check on her to see that she is safe and say not a word. If you need to say anything just say softly, you're safe, go to sleep.

                        if you try it out for another 2 weeks and you see no improvement, then maybe I would consider at that time letting her go.

                        sorry you are having to go through this...
                        I agree with this, and would give her another couple of weeks trying a different tactic. I would need to see 100% improvement to keep her though, as in- "Dcm, I am going to try X, Y, Z as a last ditch effort to acclimate dcg to my program as she is really disrupting the schedule of the group. By X date, I will need her to be resting quietly with the group."

                        GOOD LUCK!

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                        • childcaremom
                          Advanced Daycare.com Member
                          • May 2013
                          • 2955

                          #13
                          I feel the pain!

                          I have a dcg here, she's 13 mos, and I cannot get her on schedule at all. Mom told me she would work with me. Would keep dcg up later at night (was putting her to bed at 6 pm) and keep her schedule consistent on the weekends. Spent last weekend on a completely different schedule than us. Tues was terrible. I was going to term. Wed was great! Fine, it's going to work out. Yesterday was terrible. But she had a lot of um, dirty diapers. Fine, benefit of the doubt. Mom dropped off today saying that she put her to bed early last night b/c she was tired. So guess who didn't nap today? You betcha! Agh.

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                          • NillaWafers
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 593

                            #14
                            So, that went WAY better but not exactly as planned. I moved lunch up to 11, which actually worked quite well. I felt like I got more cleaning done before I had to put the kids down, and I wasn't rushed.

                            I put DCG in the room at 12, she cried for about 10-15 minutes. At 12:15-12:30 I started to put the other kids down, she tried to come out of the room 3 times, but each time I went to put her back down she ran and jumped on her mat. By 1, all the other kids were mostly asleep. I checked on her and so was she! No crying, no fighting.

                            I don't know if we'll ever make it back to her being in the room with the other kids now, since this seems to work fairly well. But I am glad something worked!

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                            • daycare
                              Advanced Daycare.com *********
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 16259

                              #15
                              Originally posted by NillaWafers
                              So, that went WAY better but not exactly as planned. I moved lunch up to 11, which actually worked quite well. I felt like I got more cleaning done before I had to put the kids down, and I wasn't rushed.

                              I put DCG in the room at 12, she cried for about 10-15 minutes. At 12:15-12:30 I started to put the other kids down, she tried to come out of the room 3 times, but each time I went to put her back down she ran and jumped on her mat. By 1, all the other kids were mostly asleep. I checked on her and so was she! No crying, no fighting.

                              I don't know if we'll ever make it back to her being in the room with the other kids now, since this seems to work fairly well. But I am glad something worked!
                              yeahooooo YIPPIE...

                              I had one that never slept with the others. He would wake if someone dropped a pin on the floor.

                              He was with me for 2.5 years and it never worked, so I left him in a different room to sleep and just kept a monitor on him.

                              Happy you had a much better day today

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