Ridiculousness of it all

[Josiegirl]

I'm in Vermont. New regs. will be coming within the next year. Some things I found out last night at a meeting:
We will be required to have dcks brush their teeth after every meal/snack, so for most of us that would be 3x a day.
The same company who creates rules for us also does it for hospitals. SO their main focus is sanitizing. We were told there will be pages and pages about cleaning floors, 3 wipe-downs before and after every meal on tables, door knobs constantly with whatever solution they deem correct BUT there is hardly a paragraph about curriculum for children.
And those are only 2 of the ridiculous things the woman told us about.
Who are these idiots that makes these rules????

[midaycare]

What did people do back before all of these rules? A lot of older family members (65-75) keep telling me, "I used to watch kids, too", but I know they didn't work like this! They didn't pay taxes, clean and sanitize like crazy, worry about inspections...

It's crazy. But I like being at home right now, so the advantages outweigh the disadvantages - for now.

[Annalee]

I'm right there with ya! It is rediculous here, too.

[AuntTami]

That's absurd. Do these people not realize that, unlike a hospital, you LIVE in your home? It's never going to be as sterile as a hospital, and it's not supposed to be! Your a FAMILY CHILD CARE home, not an operating room! What a mess! I'm so sorry for you. It's like they've completely missed the point that people bring their children to in homes because they WANT the home like feeling! Turning it into an operating room isn't going to give that homey feel!

[Annalee]

That's absurd. Do these people not realize that, unlike a hospital, you LIVE in your home? It's never going to be as sterile as a hospital, and it's not supposed to be! Your a FAMILY CHILD CARE home, not an operating room! What a mess! I'm so sorry for you. It's like they've completely missed the point that people bring their children to in homes because they WANT the home like feeling! Turning it into an operating room isn't going to give that homey feel!

The word Family and Home in child care is what the rules/regs are trying to do away with....AND they are succeeding! We have a 10 step diapering process. :confused:

[Annalee]

Here ya go!

1. Organize the supplies.
2. Bring the child to the table, remove the diaper and clean child's bottom.
3. Dispose of diaper and gloves (if used) into a hands-free trash can.
4. Diaper the child.
5. Wash the child's hands with soap and running water.
6. Return the child to play.
7. Clean the table with water/soap.
8. Sanitize with bleach solution.
9. Wash your hands with soap and running water.

Yep it is written very elementary like that and I took out all of the explaining it gives like we can't figure it out. We now have less than 10 because in 2012 they took the step that required the wipe to wipe the child's and provider's hands after throwing the diaper away? During the assessment if it is not exactly like this....and I mean exactly, we get discredited even if it is only one time and all the others are done correctly. :confused:

[VTMom]

I'm in Vermont. New regs. will be coming within the next year. Some things I found out last night at a meeting:
We will be required to have dcks brush their teeth after every meal/snack, so for most of us that would be 3x a day.
The same company who creates rules for us also does it for hospitals. SO their main focus is sanitizing. We were told there will be pages and pages about cleaning floors(3 wipe-downs before and after every meal), tables, door knobs constantly with whatever solution they deem correct BUT there is hardly a paragraph about curriculum for children.
And those are only 2 of the ridiculous things the woman told us about.
Who are these idiots that makes these rules????

Yikes! And they wonder why there's a need in a lot of the state for quality childcare! I assume that's just the tip of the iceburg. I'm still irritated it's our responsibility to report DCK's immunizations and make sure they've had them completed. I'm not sure why that's not the pediatrician's responsibility. Anyway... I'm relieved I'm closing up shop in July.

[Sunchimes]

In my experience, during those 30 seconds that you are rolling the diaper and removing gloves, the boys are free-peeing all over the place.

I'm legally unlicensed, but I know my days are numbered. If I'm doing this in 5 years I'll be surprised. Never mind letting parents decide if they want a more informal stay-with-grandma type of setting or a formal, more regulated setting. Pus everyone into the same box. It won't hurt me, I'm retirement age, but kids will suffer. I have 2 non-verbal kids. They get lost in large group settings. What will happen to kids like that?

[Play Care]

I'm in Vermont. New regs. will be coming within the next year. Some things I found out last night at a meeting:
We will be required to have dcks brush their teeth after every meal/snack, so for most of us that would be 3x a day.
The same company who creates rules for us also does it for hospitals. SO their main focus is sanitizing. We were told there will be pages and pages about cleaning floors(3 wipe-downs before and after every meal), tables, door knobs constantly with whatever solution they deem correct BUT there is hardly a paragraph about curriculum for children.
And those are only 2 of the ridiculous things the woman told us about.
Who are these idiots that makes these rules????

I know in MA they've had the teeth brushing reg, and a provider I know was able to have parents sign a waiver stating they didn't want their children brushing their teeth at day care. I wonder if that will be an option?
But the cleaning reg - what are the kids supposed to be doing when the in home provider is doing all this sanitizing? Sounds like they want the in home provider to realize they can't do it and turn in their licenses...

[Annalee]

I know in MA they've had the teeth brushing reg, and a provider I know was able to have parents sign a waiver stating they didn't want their children brushing their teeth at day care. I wonder if that will be an option?
But the cleaning reg - what are the kids supposed to be doing when the in home provider is doing all this sanitizing? Sounds like they want the in home provider to realize they can't do it and turn in their licenses...:(

This is the ultimate plan.

[Heidi]

I don't really buy the conspiracy theory. I do, however, believe that lobbyists (in your case, probably that cleaning company or their trade organization) who benefit from the changes, or in some cases, well-meaning professionals at the regulatory agency who have no experience in childcare influence you legislators.

That's how it happens here. For example (several years ago) a child runs in street and is hit by a car, so now all WI providers MUST have a fenced in yard. Never mind that the provider DID have a fence, and the child ran out the gate that a parent left open. How do we "fix" it? We write another reg.

The thing you can do is get your local provider organization to write a position statement, write your legislators, call them, etc. Because, if your state is like WI, even though someone may say "this is the rule", it has to be written into the state statutes before they can enforce it.

If someone comes in and tells you "you have to do this now", (very politely) ask to see the regulation (Oh, really, wow, can you show me that regulation, please? I was not aware of that!). If it's a PROPOSED regulation, it's not enforceable, in my experience. They can only try to bully you.

[Annalee]

I don't really buy the conspiracy theory. I do, however, believe that lobbyists (in your case, probably that cleaning company or their trade organization) who benefit from the changes, or in some cases, well-meaning professionals at the regulatory agency who have no experience in childcare influence you legislators.

That's how it happens here. For example (several years ago) a child runs in street and is hit by a car, so now all WI providers MUST have a fenced in yard. Never mind that the provider DID have a fence, and the child ran out the gate that a parent left open. How do we "fix" it? We write another reg.

The thing you can do is get your local provider organization to write a position statement, write your legislators, call them, etc. Because, if your state is like WI, even though someone may say "this is the rule", it has to be written into the state statutes before they can enforce it.

If someone comes in and tells you "you have to do this now", (very politely) ask to see the regulation (Oh, really, wow, can you show me that regulation, please? I was not aware of that!). If it's a PROPOSED regulation, it's not enforceable, in my experience. They can only try to bully you.

I think it is about control of what/when/how/ providers run their business and also control of what the children are to do/say/learn. It is coming in so subtle and before we know it, we will be totally controlled.

[Givingthemgrace]

Eek that's a lot of fluoride to be swallowing each day...it's not like kids are having sugary snacks/meals at daycare. I wonder what the point is in that? what is going to happen to these kids spending 40-50 hours per week in a sterile environment?

[crazydaycarelady]

Too many ridiculous rules is just going to make people go unlicensed.

[Unregistered]

http://usa.childcareaware.org/about-child-care/state-child-care-licensing/2012-leaving-children-to-chance-child-care-homes

And this past year there is this:

http://usa.childcareaware.org/sites/default/files/19000000_state_fact_sheets_2014_v04.pdf

So we are not good enough. But we cost too much. Okay then.