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  • slpender
    Daycare.com Member
    • Jul 2012
    • 198

    What Is With These Parents Infants Sleeping On Stomach

    Just started a new infant she is 12 weeks old and parents put her to sleep on her stomach. Sorry not going to happen here so now little one is crying in her crib because I put her on her back. I know she is tired because she was nodding off on her bouncy seat. This is the 3rd infant I have had enroll since Nov. and all but on the parent sleep them on there tummies.
  • blandino
    Daycare.com member
    • Sep 2012
    • 1613

    #2
    Originally posted by slpender
    Just started a new infant she is 12 weeks old and parents put her to sleep on her stomach. Sorry not going to happen here so now little one is crying in her crib because I put her on her back. I know she is tired because she was nodding off on her bouncy seat. This is the 3rd infant I have had enroll since Nov. and all but on the parent sleep them on there tummies.
    We have had maybe 3/4 babies enrolled whose parents do that. Do they may use a halo monitor ( or a similar device) at home. I would tell them that baby is having lots of trouble sleeping on her back, since she is used to sleepin on her tummy. If they use something like a halo monitor, you could request that they bring it to you - as well as a dr. note. I would let it be known that the baby isnt sleeping well because of then allowing her to do something you cannot do, and that without either bringing the monitor & note - or adjusting the way they sleep her at home - she is going to continue to sleep poorly.

    Honestly, most of our kids would sleep better on their tummy if we allowed them to. A lot of the time we set up tummy time on the bobby and that gets then to fall asleep pretty quickly. And then they get turned over and put in bed.

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    • Luna
      Daycare.com Member
      • Oct 2010
      • 790

      #3
      When my own children were babies the rule was to sleep them on their bellies. I didn't start doing daycare until my own were adults so the sleeping on the back rule was new to me.
      I said all of that to say this: maybe the rule has changed back and we haven't got the memo yet?
      JK, maybe these parents were taught this by their parents who are from my generation.

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      • slpender
        Daycare.com Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 198

        #4
        I told the parents that i cannot put her on her tummy and it is in my hand book she will adjust I am just surprised by the number of parents that put these little ones on their tummy to sleep.

        My daughter was a back sleeper all the way and she was a great sleeper as a baby at 2.5 she still usually sleeps on her back.

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        • just_peachy
          New Daycare.com Member
          • Feb 2013
          • 186

          #5
          I'll keep my personal opinion out of this one but they went over here at orientation that putting a baby to sleep on their back is mandatory. I'd just fall back on the "it's the law" explanation.

          Also, how do the babies like being swaddled? That would help keep them on their backs, and should help them sleep as well. I love me a cozy little swaddle baby. lovethis

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          • itlw8
            Daycare.com Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 2199

            #6
            my current little one rolled over well before 3 months I laid her on her back and she filpped and fell right to sleep on her tummy. I had to stop swaddling because I was afraid she could not get back o her back.
            almost 8 months and now she is standing in the crib.... I still lay her on her back even though I know she will not sleep until she is on her tummy.
            It:: will wait

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            • Willow
              Advanced Daycare.com Member
              • May 2012
              • 2683

              #7
              Being licensed here you can't put an infant to sleep on their stomach without a sleep directive outlining the medical necessity for it. Must be filled out and signed by a doctor.

              Swaddling is completely forbidden. If licensing would come in a provider would be written up for a violation for that at the very least.

              On their backs, nothing in the bed around them or not directly attached to their bodies (sleep sacks are ok). Licensing here says once they roll you can leave them, but you still have to put them down on their backs every time you lay them down up until they hit 12 months of age.


              I've never had a parent yet who wasn't aware this is best and doesn't practice "back to sleep." It's a huge push at the doctors office during prenatal visits, at the hospital after deliver, and then in the pediatricians office. My only trouble has come from parents insisting a two month old needs a giant stuffed animal lovie to snuggle up to to get to sleep


              You just bite the bullet. Infants acclimate incredibly quickly as long as you're consistent.

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              • Play Care
                Daycare.com Member
                • Dec 2012
                • 6642

                #8
                Friends of ours would put their son to sleep on his tummy as it was the only way he would sleep. Fine at home, but not allowed in child care.

                That said, I don't know if I could live with myself as a parent if I was tummy sleeping my child and they died in their sleep because of it. I read an article a couple of years ago on the rise in parents tummy sleeping (because babies do generally sleep better/longer on tummies) and the dangers. One mother claimed her pediatrician had said it was fine if it were the only way the baby would sleep and when the baby died she was upset because she wished he would have told her not to do it.

                Even with a moniter I would be nervous about it - machines slip off, get umplugged, etc.

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                • mamac
                  Tantrum Negotiator
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 772

                  #9
                  I will be the one to admit that I was one of "those" parents. Both my children were belly sleepers. Up until they were about 6 weeks, they were swaddled and on their backs and slept fine. After 6 weeks, they fought being swaddled and would scream constantly for an hour or more. As soon as I flipped them over, they would calm down and fall right asleep. Believe me, I wanted to follow the new rules (I say new because I was raised as a belly sleeper) but it was just so stressful on my kids. Their pediatrician would ask if they slept on their backs and I would tell him "no". I would jokingly tell him that's the way they were used to sleeping because I slept on my stomach during my entire pregnancy. (which I really did) He would raise an eyebrow at me, but would tell me that my kids were healthy and were doing just fine. To this day, (3 & 5) they are still belly sleepers who completely cover their heads with their blankets while they sleep.

                  I know I may not be technically "right" in what I did, but I did what I thought was best for MY children. I have my own opinions on back/belly sleeping and the risk of SIDS, just as many parents have their own opinions on vaccinating their children and the risk of autism. There is no conclusive evidence on the cause of either of these, so the chances of the "rules" being changed are very real possibility in the future. As a provider, all you can do is follow the rules that have been given to you, and try not to judge what a parent does with their children unless it is proven to be detrimental to their health.

                  FWIW, I would NEVER put a dcb on their belly to sleep without written permission from their pediatrician.

                  I hope this didn't sound argumentative. I'm just sharing my opinion. lovethis

                  Edited to add: I just read the pp. I will say that I did think about the possibility of SIDS often but I still did what I thought was best for my kids. If anything terrible ever happened to any of our children , of course we would be devastated, but we would probably always end up playing the "what if" scenario. What if I had kept him home that day? What if I had left the house two minutes later? Why did I let him go down the slide by himself? Some things are just going to happen no matter what we do.

                  And again... I hope this didn't sound argumentative. I'm just sharing my opinion. lovethis
                  Last edited by mamac; 03-14-2013, 07:03 AM. Reason: added info

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                  • AnneCordelia
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 816

                    #10
                    I totally parent my own kids in a way that I couldn't have my daycare kids parented. Lol. I let my own infants sleep on their tummies. I weighed the benefits and the actual risk and decided in favour of tummy. But I couldn't accept that liability with a dck.

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                    • Blackcat31
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 36124

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Willow
                      Being licensed here you can't put an infant to sleep on their stomach without a sleep directive outlining the medical necessity for it. Must be filled out and signed by a doctor.
                      Do you by any chance have any paperwork/web-sites stating the Sleep Directive needs to be signed by a doctor or that it is only for medical situations?

                      I have a parent that wants to sign the Sleep Directive and inquired through our licensing department as to what she needs to do to have this done and this is the information they gave her. It doesn't say anything about requiring a doctor's signature/permission and doesn't require anything (i.e. medical reasons) other than it is the parent's wishes.

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                      • Heidi
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 7121

                        #12
                        Originally posted by mamac
                        I will be the one to admit that I was one of "those" parents. Both my children were belly sleepers. Up until they were about 6 weeks, they were swaddled and on their backs and slept fine. After 6 weeks, they fought being swaddled and would scream constantly for an hour or more. As soon as I flipped them over, they would calm down and fall right asleep. Believe me, I wanted to follow the new rules (I say new because I was raised as a belly sleeper) but it was just so stressful on my kids. Their pediatrician would ask if they slept on their backs and I would tell him "no". I would jokingly tell him that's the way they were used to sleeping because I slept on my stomach during my entire pregnancy. (which I really did) He would raise an eyebrow at me, but would tell me that my kids were healthy and were doing just fine. To this day, (3 & 5) they are still belly sleepers who completely cover their heads with their blankets while they sleep.

                        I know I may not be technically "right" in what I did, but I did what I thought was best for MY children. I have my own opinions on back/belly sleeping and the risk of SIDS, just as many parents have their own opinions on vaccinating their children and the risk of autism. There is no conclusive evidence on the cause of either of these, so the chances of the "rules" being changed are very real possibility in the future. As a provider, all you can do is follow the rules that have been given to you, and try not to judge what a parent does with their children unless it is proven to be detrimental to their health.

                        FWIW, I would NEVER put a dcb on their belly to sleep without written permission from their pediatrician.

                        I hope this didn't sound argumentative. I'm just sharing my opinion. lovethis

                        Edited to add: I just read the pp. I will say that I did think about the possibility of SIDS often but I still did what I thought was best for my kids. If anything terrible ever happened to any of our children , of course we would be devastated, but we would probably always end up playing the "what if" scenario. What if I had kept him home that day? What if I had left the house two minutes later? Why did I let him go down the slide by himself? Some things are just going to happen no matter what we do.

                        And again... I hope this didn't sound argumentative. I'm just sharing my opinion. lovethis
                        Ditto all this. My oldest is 23 now, and we were told to put him on his stomache because he had neonatal siezures, and they felt he would be less likely to aspirate on his stomach. We also had a baby heartrate monitor for several months. Baby #2, they were just starting to talk about back-sleeping. I tried, but when he fussed I flipped him and he was happy. Baby #3, the back-to-sleep campaign was really started, and I really tried. But, after I brought her home (all 9.3 lbs of her), I listened to her eh-eh-eh in the basinett next to me for a good part of the night, and at 3 am, I finally drowsily got up and flipped her on her tummy. Bingo...we all went to sleep. Baby #4 is, and I didn't even try back-to-sleep due to previous experiences, although I had some guilt. He's 12 now.

                        All my dck's sleep on their backs just like the rules say...until they can flip themselves, and then they ALL do...wierd, eh?

                        In WI, we are allowed to swaddle, so that helps!

                        As far as the research...it's purely statistical, but it is a scarey statistic when there is a 30% reduction in "crib death" for back-sleepers. That is a big ole' number, man!

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                        • mema
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 1979

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Blackcat31
                          Do you by any chance have any paperwork/web-sites stating the Sleep Directive needs to be signed by a doctor or that it is only for medical situations?

                          I have a parent that wants to sign the Sleep Directive and inquired through our licensing department as to what she needs to do to have this done and this is the information they gave her. It doesn't say anything about requiring a doctor's signature/permission and doesn't require anything (i.e. medical reasons) other than it is the parent's wishes.

                          https://edocs.dhs.state.mn.us/lfserv...y/DHS-5876-ENG
                          I was told by our licensors that a parent can sign it right now. It use to have to be by a doctor and then they changed it. I think that is one of the things that is trying to either get a bill or get the bill passed is to have it be doctor only, not the parent. Came about in that whole sleep study deal.

                          I had a parent ask to sign one. I said they could, but I will not take the baby then. Not sure if it is discrimination or not, but I don't care if the parent says it's ok. She changed her mind when I said no and told her he was about to roll over anyway and then could make his own choice.

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                          • Blackcat31
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 36124

                            #14
                            Originally posted by mema
                            I was told by our licensors that a parent can sign it right now. It use to have to be by a doctor and then they changed it. I think that is one of the things that is trying to either get a bill or get the bill passed is to have it be doctor only, not the parent. Came about in that whole sleep study deal.

                            I had a parent ask to sign one. I said they could, but I will not take the baby then. Not sure if it is discrimination or not, but I don't care if the parent says it's ok. She changed her mind when I said no and told her he was about to roll over anyway and then could make his own choice.
                            That's where I am at too...if the parent wants to have their baby sleep on their tummy just because, I don't want to take the baby....even though the paper says it releases us from any liability, I just don't want to go there.

                            I know it is their choice but I feel it is MY choice to be able to protect myself and my business.

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                            • allsmiles
                              Daycare.com Member
                              • Nov 2012
                              • 332

                              #15
                              when i had my oldest.. tummy was the rule as well.. it was not allowed to sleep on backs because of choking, or something i dont even remember..
                              with my second child the rule had changed all of a sudden BUT i still allowed her to sleep on her tummy because that is what i was used to and it was easier and thanks to GOD..i had no issues

                              now that i have daycare, i follow the rules which here it is they have to sleep on their backs UNTIL they can turn over.. THANKFULLY i have never had any kids yet that young and i just might not take them because i dont get in trouble LOL..
                              i had a newborn for one week and i tried the swaddling which worked for a few minutes but then he would cry..
                              i want to follow rules but if babies sleep on tummy or car seat at home, im sorry, i dont have the time or energy to reform them.

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