Logged Out Because I Can't Stand Myself

[Country Kids]

If everyone read carefully through the posts at least two other providers talk about missing children while in their care and how awful, scared they felt. Not one provider blasted these people and said they should call licensing-not one. Why weren't they called out on this?

Here's what I found interesting-everyone seemed geniuly worried for the provider and then when she said the parents were ok, it suddenly turned into you need to call licensing. Why did it go from worry to reporting? I wonder what everyone would have said if the poster had said the parents were furious? How would everyone reacted?

Even Nannyde had a post that most season providers have made some mistakes with kids that might have resulted in injury if not caught. I don't know how to quote it here but it was one of the post on the first page I believe.

We may not here from this provider again-ever and know the outcome of what licensing said. In fact they may have closed her down, costing her money, her families, her livilehood. Her parents may have been truly understanding-we don't know these people and if licensing closed her down-for what, her parents understood. Some licensors aren't as forgiving as some make them out to be.

I guess I was just amazed out how some were not called out on things they had done, and how it went from worrying to now it all needs to be reported.

[Blackcat31]

If everyone read carefully through the posts at least two other providers talk about missing children while in their care and how awful, scared they felt. Not one provider blasted these people and said they should call licensing-not one. Why weren't they called out on this?

If I recall (correct me if I am wrong) but the stories other providers shared about forgetting kids were stories from in the past. I don't recall anyone sharing that they had recently left or forgot a kid.

Here's what I found interesting-everyone seemed geniuly worried for the provider and then when she said the parents were ok, it suddenly turned into you need to call licensing. Why did it go from worry to reporting? I wonder what everyone would have said if the poster had said the parents were furious? How would everyone reacted?

Please do not say "everyone". I am the 2nd poster. My first words were call your licensor and report this.

My opinion of the posters being suddenly on board once the OP said her parents were ok with the situation is a great example of simple agreeance without actually thinking the situation through.

Too many posters simply agree with the majority for fear of being called out for being different, due to lack of experience or simply not really thinking the situation through and realizing what the right thing to do is. I don't know but those are my guesses as to why some posters simply jump on whatever bandwagon is passing by.

Even Nannyde had a post that most season providers have made some mistakes with kids that might have resulted in injury if not caught. I don't know how to quote it here but it was one of the post on the first page I believe.

Not sure why Nan's post is any different as she was implying that we have all made mistakes but luck was all that saved us from tragedy but still the situation needed to be reported.
She said that in several other posts she made.

We may not here from this provider again-ever and know the outcome of what licensing said. In fact they may have closed her down, costing her money, her families, her livilehood. Her parents may have been truly understanding-we don't know these people and if licensing closed her down-for what, her parents understood. Some licensors aren't as forgiving as some make them out to be.

I guess I was just amazed out how some were not called out on things they had done, and how it went from worrying to now it all needs to be reported.

We also do not KNOW if this provider did do the right thing or not.

We don't KNOW that she did or didn't really tell her parents.

IMHO, it doesn't matter what your licensor is like. The law is the law no matter who is enforcing it.

[LaLa1923]

This entire thing bothers me......... What happened to the rest of the post? I seriously think someone deleted the details on purpose. ?..

[Blackcat31]

This entire thing bothers me......... What happened to the rest of the post? I seriously think someone deleted the details on purpose. ?..

I don't mean this harshly or rudely but who cares what happened to the original post?

Michael already clarified that there is nothing nefarious or weird going on. The OP was probably the one who edited as SHE would be the only one who had access to do so besides Michael and/or a mod and none of the logs show anyone other than him editing the post.

The pertinent details (as factual as we know them to be) all still remain so I think the original post and the post as it stands now still tell the SAME story.

I know my response would still have been the same no matter how many other personal details about how badly the OP felt were included or not. Her feelings do not weigh into the legalities of the situation and certainly do not impact my feelings on what the proper course of action should have been.

[Country Kids]

"If I recall (correct me if I am wrong) but the stories other providers shared about forgetting kids were stories from in the past. I don't recall anyone sharing that they had recently left or forgot a kid."


BC=whether it was in the past or not, no one asked if they had called licensing and if they did what did licensing say? Even if it was in the past shouldn't it have been reported?

One of them actually happened the same week as this one so yes, it was pretty recently.

I guess my point is-if anyone is going to call one person out, why not another?

[youretooloud]

I would have to disagree with our views on licensing. Obviously licensing varies state-to-state, and while I am very happy that you feel that way about your licensing staff, I definitely think that is not the case for all daycare providers. I have had licensing specialist who have cited us for issues that aren't even a violation of licensing regulations. And who are very much looking to find you at fault when push comes to shove. We Have had some great licensing specialists and some horrible ones. But I completely understand some posters fear about calling licensing.

Around here, licensing will write you up for things that they invent on the spot. I have a friend who was written up because the NEIGHBORS had something dangerous on their property out front. The FRONT yard of the neighbor's house. In our neighborhoods, it's obvious where each yard starts and ends....so, it was clear to the licensing lady that the "dangerous" item was not in her own yard. (it was a plant with spikes btw)

It's like the state chooses the crabbiest people and hires them for this job.

(Off to look up Whiskey.com)

[youretooloud]

This entire thing bothers me......... What happened to the rest of the post? I seriously think someone deleted the details on purpose. ?..

I think the OP can delete or change any part of the post she wants. She might have chosen to remove part of her post. Why would that bother you?

[Blackcat31]

BC=whether it was in the past or not, no one asked if they had called licensing and if they did what did licensing say? Even if it was in the past shouldn't it have been reported?

One of them actually happened the same week as this one so yes, it was pretty recently.

I guess my point is-if anyone is going to call one person out, why not another?

I mut have missed the poster stating the same thing happened to her in the same week.....could you quote the poster or point me in the right direction, I would like to see myself....without having to search through the whole thread. (I am too lazy ) You can PM if you want also

[Michael]

In don't want to Monday morning quarterback on this but the only person that would have a reason to change it is the OP. Since she is a member that logged out to post it, she obviously was troubled about what had happened and came to us for guidance. Since she has not chimed back in for some time we have no way of knowing what really happened. It's just the mystery of the Incredible Shrinking Post that the forum will be talking about for generations.

[bunnyslippers]

Ladies, I have refrained from posting on this topic, as I think everything that needed to be said has previously been said. We all have opinions about this incredibly heated topic, and I think the opinions are all perfectly clear.

I think the whole consipiracy angle is a bit ridiculous...if the original post was edited, then it was edited. I certainly don't think it was to cover up the original information, or to hide some important detail.

I also do not see any reason to attack Michael and accuse him of trying to make money. Seriously...this has all just gone a little too far.

[Loveyoustinkyface]

BlackCat31 - Is this what you're referring too?

BlackCat31- Is this what you're referring too?

I'm sorry this happened, worst nightmare for something like this to happen, I'm glad they were all understanding....

I had a horrible mom episode last weekend, I with my 22 yr old sister took my 2 kids to the dr for flu shots, I got my son, she got my daughter, then we went to the store to get my sons birthday cake, I got my son out, she got my daughter, Then we got home, and I got my son out, and 40 minutes later, my husband asked when my daughter is, I said "I thought she was downstairs with you" he says no, I look at my sister and say "you took her out of the car right?" she said NO, I ran out there and she was screaming! i unbuckled her so fast, ran her in side and laid down with her and I was just bawling, I felt so awful, I do not blame my sister I blame myself for this, its my kid, I just didn't realize, I assumed like everywhere else she took her out, I came inside with my son, and he was super excited to show his dad something, I wasn't feeling good and went to lay down, my husband and son were playing a video game downstairs, and she likes to sit with them down there(shes 3 1/2). I totally blame myself but do get a little mad at my sister as well, you took her out every other time! luckily it was 40 degrees, so not freezing not hot, she had coat and gloves, so she was fine, but still everyday now when we go somewhere, she says "please don't leave me in the car again mommy"

[lovemykidstoo]

Ladies, I have refrained from posting on this topic, as I think everything that needed to be said has previously been said. We all have opinions about this incredibly heated topic, and I think the opinions are all perfectly clear.

I think the whole consipiracy angle is a bit ridiculous...if the original post was edited, then it was edited. I certainly don't think it was to cover up the original information, or to hide some important detail.

I also do not see any reason to attack Michael and accuse him of trying to make money. Seriously...this has all just gone a little too far.

I couldn't agree more. I think it's time for a coffee break. Or maybe a rum break LOL!

[LaLa1923]

In don't want to Monday morning quarterback on this but the only person that would have a reason to change it is the OP. Since she is a member that logged out to post it, she obviously was troubled about what had happened and came to us for guidance. Since she has not chimed back in for some time we have no way of knowing what really happened. It's just the mystery of the Incredible Shrinking Post that the forum will be talking about for generations.

Lol.....

In reply to others on my post-it just looked shady, obviously the op changed it. The details do matter. 5 mins or 30, anyway, I hope that anyone who does something by accident or not- CYA. I hope everything turned out ok for her anyway.

[Blackcat31]

BlackCat31- Is this what you're referring too?

I think this is the one CK was referring to. However, what you do with your own children in your own home is 100% completely different that what one does with someone else's child on public property.

Licensing does not mandate us to report ourselves when we mess up as parents but licensing DOES mandate us to report if we out someone else's child in harms way.

BIG difference.

[allsmiles]

Around here, licensing will write you up for things that they invent on the spot. I have a friend who was written up because the NEIGHBORS had something dangerous on their property out front. The FRONT yard of the neighbor's house. In our neighborhoods, it's obvious where each yard starts and ends....so, it was clear to the licensing lady that the "dangerous" item was not in her own yard. (it was a plant with spikes btw)

It's like the state chooses the crabbiest people and hires them for this job.

(Off to look up Whiskey.com)

my licensor called me, i later found out to set up my inital inspection for registration of my daycare home. when i assumed she was a parent, she then went along with it and started a story about needing care.. she came for a surprise visit the next day.. she said because I was enrolling children and it wasnt allowed to have children in care before being licensed.. I told her I am enrolling because i was listed and had been for 2 months..
she straight up LIED and that had forever skewed my opinion of licensing and i do believe they are out to get me.. i know thats not everyone, but i do not think the agency as a whole are on my side