Attendance After Vaccines

[littlemissmuffet]

Febrile seizures are scary but typically don't harm children or the brain. My son gets them almost every time he has a fever.

He has been checked out by many different doctors and the information is the same. Rarely do imms cause seizures in children who are healthy and not otherwise seizure prone. I would avoid scaring parents over something that is unlikely to happen anyway.

And in my daycare imms are required so I'd rather they get them and not make it a pain to do so.

As a provider who has experienced several febrile seizures in diffrent dcks, I completely disagree - each and every seizure that occurred in my care was their first one and the children weren't prone.

It's one thing to experience your own child going through a situation like this - you know him, you know his medical history, etc. When it happens to a dck it's incredibly traumatizing and you don't necessarily know what's going on with the child when it happens because you don't know their history!!

Where I live immunization clinics are open in the evenings - is this available where you live? There's no excuse why *my* dcps can't book an appointment outside of work and daycare hours.

Anyhow, my primary reason for exclusion is actually crankiness. I had some very awful experiences with little ones coming after their needles and being totally intolerable.

[littlemissmuffet]

I wanted to add that I understand the reasoning for the exclusion is to lower the risk of liability you want to assume, but I know my parents wouldn't go for that at all.

But I like the idea

It's too bad your parent's have no respect for you. I couldn't imagine not implimenting a policy I felt was a good idea for myself, my business and my household as whole because "my parents wouldn't go for it".... I can't believe the amount of power some people on this board give their clients!! It's your home, your business, your rules... your clients don't get a say! I promise you, you will get better clients who respect you once you start respecting yourself!

[SilverSabre25]

I wanted to add that I understand the reasoning for the exclusion is to lower the risk of liability you want to assume, but I know my parents wouldn't go for that at all.

But I like the idea

Heh, the biggest part of the reason is lack of interest in dealing with the extreme crankiness and other side effects of shots!

Anyhow, my primary reason for exclusion is actually crankiness. I had some very awful experiences with little ones coming after their needles and being totally intolerable.

Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way!

[daycare]

It's not that my parents don't respect me. It's that
I don't think I could get parents to agree to it. It's not heard of around here. Trust me I know. I posted a similar thread about this very subject about 6 months ago or so.

I did my research in my area and every single place that I called do not have such a rule.
Its not a matter of respect, it a matter of what I know would not work in my area.

And if I were to exclude for he reason of cranky kids then I would never be open.

[jojosmommy]

If all the dcs did this then the clinic would be to full on Friday to do all the shots for everyone who needed them. Plus my preferred md doesn't even work Fridays so it would be out of the question for me. I think micromanaging people is a waste of time. Either you won't get people to sign up or they will find a way around it, lie or something. I don't exclude for crankyness, that's a joke.

I believe in the effectiveness of the immunizations and am not going to worry about the slim possibility of something happening. The number of kids with bad reactions is less than the time, worry, and annoyance, of trying to enforce a policy like this anyway. And like I said before, I would rather they be immunized for the sake of my family and the rest of the population than be annoying about it.

[littlemissmuffet]

If all the dcs did this then the clinic would be to full on Friday to do all the shots for everyone who needed them. Plus my preferred md doesn't even work Fridays so it would be out of the question for me. I think micromanaging people is a waste of time. Either you won't get people to sign up or they will find a way around it, lie or something. I don't exclude for crankyness, that's a joke.

I believe in the effectiveness of the immunizations and am not going to worry about the slim possibility of something happening. The number of kids with bad reactions is less than the time, worry, and annoyance, of trying to enforce a policy like this anyway. And like I said before, I would rather they be immunized for the sake of my family and the rest of the population than be annoying about it.

Actually, I am at full capacity at all times and have been all the years I have been in DC... and my parent's can't lie to me about when they get their kid's vaccines because I require a copy of the paperwork for their file (which includes date and time of appointment). Not ONE of my parents have ever had an issue with this rule...

I don't excluse for crankiness, either. I do excluse after immunizations because it inevitably causes intolerable crankiness is most children I have dealt with. It isn't a joke - it's my rule and my parents RESPECT that because they know when they get home and are dealing with their cranky child that it would have been difficult for me to do so while also caring for other children. My parents actually RESPECT me... those who don't are shown the door immediately.

I am not being "annoying" as you put it - if this were the case, then I either wouldn't have clients, or I wouldn't have immunized children - I have both. My own daycare parents AGREE with *me* having this policy... strange to me that you can't. ::

[SilverSabre25]

If all the dcs did this then the clinic would be to full on Friday to do all the shots for everyone who needed them. Plus my preferred md doesn't even work Fridays so it would be out of the question for me. I think micromanaging people is a waste of time. Either you won't get people to sign up or they will find a way around it, lie or something. I don't exclude for crankyness, that's a joke.

I believe in the effectiveness of the immunizations and am not going to worry about the slim possibility of something happening. The number of kids with bad reactions is less than the time, worry, and annoyance, of trying to enforce a policy like this anyway. And like I said before, I would rather they be immunized for the sake of my family and the rest of the population than be annoying about it.

WOW. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion but your attitude was uncalled for!

Excluding for grumpy kids is one thing...excluding for the inconsolable crankiness that IME comes after most imms. is a WHOLE different ball of wax! That a lot closer to a sick child than a cranky well child--especially when it's a baby! If the screaming, crying, bottle refusing, and nasty diaper leaks are interfering with me providing appropriate care to the other kids, then that child should be HOME, no matter the cause.

This is not a debate about the effectiveness or benefit of vaccines; it's about whether a child who has just had a shot should be in child care or at home. I"m glad you feel so strong in your position that it doesn't matter. It's good to have so much confidence in your own policies. Now if you please, some of us feel differently from you and would appreciate some respect even if you don't agree.

[littlemissmuffet]

It's not that my parents don't respect me. It's that
I don't think I could get parents to agree to it. It's not heard of around here. Trust me I know. I posted a similar thread about this very subject about 6 months ago or so.

I did my research in my area and every single place that I called do not have such a rule.
Its not a matter of respect, it a matter of what I know would not work in my area.

And if I were to exclude for he reason of cranky kids then I would never be open.

I get what you're saying and understand your logic. My logic, however, is that it doesn't matter what the daycare across the street does, it doesn't matter what the daycare 60 surrounding daycares in my area of town do - I am not them. MY daycare, MY rules. My clients don't argue with me - they don't question my rules... they know coming in, this is how it is and they accept that. They don't compare me to other daycares because that will get them nowhere - I am NOT other daycares, I am my own. So, this is why I see it as a respect issue.

Also, I can't build my daycare up around what other daycares do and don't do... otherwise my dck's would be eating ramen noodles for lunch everyday, never have any outdoor time and watch tv all day long. Unfortunately, that's how the majority of "dayhomes" in my area are run.

[sharlan]

I've never excluded for vaccines. In fact, I've taken 6 or 8 kids to the pedi for their shots. I've been really lucky, I've yet to have a child become inconsolable afterwards.

[littlemissmuffet]

I've never excluded for vaccines. In fact, I've taken 6 or 8 kids to the pedi for their shots. I've been really lucky, I've yet to have a child become inconsolable afterwards.

Lucky, indeed! And taking dcks to get their shots is really going the extra mile, IMO - your parents are very lucky to have you!!

[Blackcat31]

For 15 years, I paid no attention to when kids had their imms. However, if they had imms and came to daycare the next day and were cranky, whiney or had diarrhea or any other symptom that I would normally send them home for, I did.
If it wasn't unbearable, I dealt with it and never gave it another thought. For some I even dispensed Tylenol when they were just plain uncomfortable or achey. NO ISSUES whatsoever.

With that being said though 3 times in the last 5 years I have had children with NO EVIDENCE of having any issues with imms previously have seizures. After that, I changed my rules/policies to imms done on Fridays or when the parent has two days off.

No way am I EVER dealing with that kind of thing again. I CHOOSE not to and I don't HAVE to.

I have no idea how many, if any other daycares in my area have that rule and I frankly don't care. I have the rule and if parents want to enroll in my program, that is really a small rule to have to deal with IMPO.

I mean really, how many imms does a kid get during the first 5 years of life? Not enough that it would mean choosing a different daycare.

When I interview, I explain to the parent how it is not only better for the child to be with a family member should something happen (or even just having the child feel like crap afterwards) but how the parent would more than likely prefer that as well.

In my opinion, it is all in how you "sell" the idea to them.

If I tried to sell it as being better for me only, they probably wouldn't take it as seriously as they do when I sell it as being better for them and their child.

[PitterPatter]

For 15 years, I paid no attention to when kids had their imms. However, if they had imms and came to daycare the next day and were cranky, whiney or had diarrhea or any other symptom that I would normally send them home for, I did.
If it wasn't unbearable, I dealt with it and never gave it another thought. For some I even dispensed Tylenol when they were just plain uncomfortable or achey. NO ISSUES whatsoever.

With that being said though 3 times in the last 5 years I have had children with NO EVIDENCE of having any issues with imms previously have seizures. After that, I changed my rules/policies to imms done on Fridays or when the parent has two days off.

No way am I EVER dealing with that kind of thing again. I CHOOSE not to and I don't HAVE to.

I have no idea how many, if any other daycares in my area have that rule and I frankly don't care. I have the rule and if parents want to enroll in my program, that is really a small rule to have to deal with IMPO.

I mean really, how many imms does a kid get during the first 5 years of life? Not enough that it would mean choosing a different daycare.
When I interview, I explain to the parent how it is not only better for the child to be with a family member should something happen (or even just having the child feel like crap afterwards) but how the parent would more than likely prefer that as well.

In my opinion, it is all in how you "sell" the idea to them.

If I tried to sell it as being better for me only, they probably wouldn't take it as seriously as they do when I sell it as being better for them and their child.

Exactly!

It was you Blackcat and Catherder that made me change my handbook last year to request children get shots on a Friday because I did not want the risk. Besides I know when my son got his imms. (especially 5 all at once ) he was so sad I wouldn't leave him with anyone else. Just another good thing I have learned here!

[jojosmommy]

Silver- I think you assumed I was uptight and loud with my answer. I simply stated my position, you took it in a nasty manner. Plain and simple, I don't exclude and I gave my reasons. Just because my opinion is different from yours doesn't mean it was stated in a nasty way.

I have never had kids be so cranky and inconsolable after shots that they have had to go home. Even my own kids have been great after shots, both my kids sleep much of the rest of the day. Lucky maybe.

My question is, if a parent doesn't bring in the slip stating they got imms on the actual day they got them how are you to know they got them? Couldn't a parent bring in an imms form (with the dates they got the shots) a week later and say "oh yea, we got some shots." By then its too late for you to worry about it. Lots of posts on here are devoted to parents trying to break the system, or covering up symptoms to make their lives easier and drop off at care. The same thing will happen with imms IF they think you are going to exclude b/c of receiveing shots. Quite simply I have parents who CAN NOT do it on Fridays. I have kids who are at the MD all the time for speech, developmental screenings, hearing tests, ear issues, gross motor (pt) appointments, so a parent telling me they have a dr appt or dropping off after an appointment wouldn't immediately signal to me they had shots.

I would rather have a kid immunized, know about it, and care for them appropriately than have to explain this whole situation (and possibly scare someone out of getting shots in the first place).

And BTW, this entire post was typed with a smile, no nastiness here.

[youretooloud]

It annoys me when parents schedule shots for a Monday morning. It's hard not to take that personally. But, the two peds closest to me ONLY do them on Friday mornings if the child is in daycare. LOL. I love the smart woman who came up with that idea.

[daycare]

For 15 years, I paid no attention to when kids had their imms. However, if they had imms and came to daycare the next day and were cranky, whiney or had diarrhea or any other symptom that I would normally send them home for, I did.
If it wasn't unbearable, I dealt with it and never gave it another thought. For some I even dispensed Tylenol when they were just plain uncomfortable or achey. NO ISSUES whatsoever.

With that being said though 3 times in the last 5 years I have had children with NO EVIDENCE of having any issues with imms previously have seizures. After that, I changed my rules/policies to imms done on Fridays or when the parent has two days off.

No way am I EVER dealing with that kind of thing again. I CHOOSE not to and I don't HAVE to.

I have no idea how many, if any other daycares in my area have that rule and I frankly don't care. I have the rule and if parents want to enroll in my program, that is really a small rule to have to deal with IMPO.

I mean really, how many imms does a kid get during the first 5 years of life? Not enough that it would mean choosing a different daycare.

When I interview, I explain to the parent how it is not only better for the child to be with a family member should something happen (or even just having the child feel like crap afterwards) but how the parent would more than likely prefer that as well.

In my opinion, it is all in how you "sell" the idea to them.

If I tried to sell it as being better for me only, they probably wouldn't take it as seriously as they do when I sell it as being better for them and their child.

Not many for those that are required by law, however, what about those that are volunterly ?
I also have children that get allergy shots? Do you exclude for those too.