Enrolling DCM Complaint, Discrimination

[Heidi]

I understand what discrimination is, but the daycare parent felt she was being discriminated against for being a cash paying parent. She mentioned nothing about race or job choice. Discrimination can be for many many different reasons, which not all of them are about color.

I personally, just thought the comment was really uncalled for.

I respect what you're saying, Cat. I think OP was just trying to tell us that because this person was white & a banker (and possibly from her own color/creed/etc..), that she had no case for calling it discrimination.

I added the definition of discrimination on my post for OP (to back her up) because having too high of an income to be eligible for subsidy is not a protected class.

[momma2girls]

I would love to charge the subs families the difference but in my state I am not allowed to charge the subsidy clients anything extra. I am only to collect the portion fee that the state doesn't cover. We did finally get permission recently to charge late fees though!

I guess she asked someone to get the info because it wasn't in question at first. She must have been talking to someone who is on subsidy or had been because she knew a lot!

Thank God I require 2 visits now so no contract signed yet. As much as I need clients I won't be signing the contract for care. I can just imagine the other issues that will pop up later!

Thanks everyone, I just want to be sure I am doing the right thing.

Oh and for the record she is white and works in a bank! Not elligible for assistance ::

When I first starting doing daycare, I had one family, which was on state. I originally told her that she would pay the difference of what state would be paying me. About 8 yrs. ago, state only paid $7.00 per 4 hr. increments. So I would receive $14.00 per day- I charged $25.00 a day. Then she told state, she couldn't ever afford to pay me, the difference. I never knew it was against the law where I live to charge the family the difference. She also had 2 children in my daycare in the summer. So I was losing out ALOT of money!!! It was $11.00 per day, per child- Needless to say that family didn't work out at all. I caught the children, lying, stealing money, etc.....

[PitterPatter]

what does race and place of work have to do with eligibility for subsidy payments?

I meant no offense by that comment. I just meant she was trying to accuse me of discriminating against her which I do not do! MANY dif people of ALL races can be on subidy! I simply meant because she was trying to act better than subsidised yet when she found out they paid less she then tried to turn the tables and wanted their rate and blamed me for treating her different. She blamed ME for discriminating against her.

Most of my clients are subsidised I have nothing against ANY color! I just found her to be arrogant and mad because she couldn't get the same as the lower income families. She acted like she was holier than tho, nice enough but higher class type attitude in the beginning... yet wants their payments so she tried playing the poor me card and told me she actually is in need. She even made comments like "just because i dont work in the ghetto or flip burgers for a living doesn't mean you can charge me more" She bragged about climbing the ladder of sucess, on her way to managment at first etc. THEN turned the tables and said she too needed cheaper daycare so she can pay off her new car (forget what she called it). The people in subsidised NEED help she doesn't. It makes me mad when people that are well off think they should get handed to. It's bad enough we have some subsidy people that don't really need it or plan to live off of it. She was arrogant and tried to make me feel ashamed like she was a minority and I was talking something away from her!

[PitterPatter]

I understand what discrimination is, but the daycare parent felt she was being discriminated against for being a cash paying parent. She mentioned nothing about race or job choice. Discrimination can be for many many different reasons, which not all of them are about color.

I personally, just thought the comment was really uncalled for.

Again my aplogies. Other than the word you didn't like do you have an opinion on the issue?

[PitterPatter]

I respect what you're saying, Cat. I think OP was just trying to tell us that because this person was white & a banker (and possibly from her own color/creed/etc..), that she had no case for calling it discrimination.

I added the definition of discrimination on my post for OP (to back her up) because having too high of an income to be eligible for subsidy is not a protected class.

Thank you EXACTLY how I felt!! She had no right to complain she was being discriminated against when there is REAL discrimination going on every day! She's just mad because I won't bend for her snotty arse!

[awestbrook713]

My daily rate is also $25 a day and I charge a weekly rate based on the daily rate multiplied by number of days the child is here a week.

I had this same issue Subsidy dcm talked to her friend who pays out of pocket and so out of pocket dcm thought they were being charged different rates but they weren't.

Subsidy is help with payment but they are still responsible for paying the difference between the state assistance and their weekly rate, so if I have a child with a weekly rate of $100 and the state only pays $80 that family is responsible for the additional $20.

Are you not allowed to charge them the remaining amount due to state rules on subsidy or are you just doing this as a favor to low income families?Never mind I see you answered this above. That stinks that your state won't let you charge the difference. I only know I can because I have called and asked or else I would not take subsidy because it would not be worth it.

[small_steps]

Does your state assistance provide anything extra ever? In texas our state assistance provides us (sometimes) with training hours, CDA trainings for free, and the past two years we have even gotten grants for new toys/supplies from them. If they offer those types of benefits I would tell her that to make up for their lower pay rate they provide us with those types of things.

It really isn't any of her business in my opinion either but if I told her anything I might tell her that.

Our state doesn't allow us to charge extra either. We have to take what the state pays.

[PitterPatter]

Does your state assistance provide anything extra ever? In texas our state assistance provides us (sometimes) with training hours, CDA trainings for free, and the past two years we have even gotten grants for new toys/supplies from them. If they offer those types of benefits I would tell her that to make up for their lower pay rate they provide us with those types of things.

It really isn't any of her business in my opinion either but if I told her anything I might tell her that.

Our state doesn't allow us to charge extra either. We have to take what the state pays.

Yes our trainings are free except for the CPR & 1st aid I pay $70 for those every year. We are able to apply for grants once per year to furnish/replace safety items such as the fire extinguisher, smoke and carbon detectors, safety gates etc. They did have another grant for furniture and such but they said it was tapped out and were doing away with it a couple years ago.

The more I replayed this womans words in my head the more upset I got so I refuse to give her anymore info. Last I told her was if she thought I was discriminating then she should call the CCRR and discuss it with them.

[Blackcat31]

I meant no offense by that comment. I just meant she was trying to accuse me of discriminating against her which I do not do! MANY dif people of ALL races can be on subidy! I simply meant because she was trying to act better than subsidised yet when she found out they paid less she then tried to turn the tables and wanted their rate and blamed me for treating her different. She blamed ME for discriminating against her.

Most of my clients are subsidised I have nothing against ANY color! I just found her to be arrogant and mad because she couldn't get the same as the lower income families. She acted like she was holier than tho, nice enough but higher class type attitude in the beginning... yet wants their payments so she tried playing the poor me card and told me she actually is in need. She even made comments like "just because i dont work in the ghetto or flip burgers for a living doesn't mean you can charge me more" She bragged about climbing the ladder of sucess, on her way to managment at first etc. THEN turned the tables and said she too needed cheaper daycare so she can pay off her new car (forget what she called it). The people in subsidised NEED help she doesn't. It makes me mad when people that are well off think they should get handed to. It's bad enough we have some subsidy people that don't really need it or plan to live off of it. She was arrogant and tried to make me feel ashamed like she was a minority and I was talking something away from her!

No worries! Knowing you (or rather the general 'tone' of your posts) I know that you didn't necessarily mean anything by it either. I probably shouldn't have been so sensitive but it is just one of those "hot buttons" for me.

Rather than discrimination, I think this mother feels entitled. I would simply let her know that every family in your care has a rate that coordinates with their individual needs and their method of payment. If she feels she would like to apply to receive subsidy, then send her in that direction.

I also strongly urge you to let her know that you will NOT discuss other DCF's rates and that her rate is $____, and you will NO longer be discussing this issue again. PERIOD.

If she chooses to leave then so be it. Her choice.

[PitterPatter]

No worries! Knowing you (or rather the general 'tone' of your posts) I know that you didn't necessarily mean anything by it either. I probably shouldn't have been so sensitive but it is just one of those "hot buttons" for me.

Rather than discrimination, I think this mother feels entitled. I would simply let her know that every family in your care has a rate that coordinates with their individual needs and their method of payment. If she feels she would like to apply to receive subsidy, then send her in that direction.

I also strongly urge you to let her know that you will NOT discuss other DCF's rates and that her rate is $____, and you will NO longer be discussing this issue again. PERIOD.

If she chooses to leave then so be it. Her choice.

Thanks Blackcat I was hoping you would know me better by now.

When the lady complained about paying the higher rate I told her she was more than welcome to apply for the subsidy program and even offered her the phone number to get started. She got snooty and said she "made too much money to receieve public aid". That's why I did not understand her complaint at all! BUT I wanted to be sure I wasn't discriminating against her as she accused me of.

[youretooloud]

Remind her that the subsidy families are low-income. If she wants subsidy rate, she can get a lower paying job and jump through all of the hoops to get qualified, right? ::

Yes..this... there are forms to fill out, lines to stand in, if she's willing to put in that extra work, then that's great for her.