Holy !@#T!!! Shortest Enrollment Ever!

[Crystal]

I disagree with terming like that. I think it was unfair for the child to arrive on day one and have to go straight to bed. I'd protest too. She hasn't had five minutes to get to know you and you're sending her to bed? I think that's just asking for a fight. You don't KNOW her, you don't KNOW if this is typical behavior for her....you didn't give yourself a chance to find out. She might be one awesome little girl, but coming into a new program and not even getting acclimated to your new surroundings before you are made to lay down just may have freaked the poor little thing out a bit. If I was Mom, I'd be mad too.

[Cat Herder]

I'd protest too. .

By kicking other children and slapping an adult in the face in her first 30 minutes....:confused:

[jen]

I disagree with terming like that. I think it was unfair for the child to arrive on day one and have to go straight to bed. I'd protest too. She hasn't had five minutes to get to know you and you're sending her to bed? I think that's just asking for a fight. You don't KNOW her, you don't KNOW if this is typical behavior for her....you didn't give yourself a chance to find out. She might be one awesome little girl, but coming into a new program and not even getting acclimated to your new surroundings before you are made to lay down just may have freaked the poor little thing out a bit. If I was Mom, I'd be mad too.

I would agree that getting a kid to go to bed right when they got there, especially on a first day, would be difficult on the child; but to be that aggressive? In my experience kids that age are more timid in strange situations.

Honestly, I don't know of any child that I have EVER had in care (and certainly not my own children) that would haul off and smack an adult at three years of age.

I think I would be more worried/uspet/horrified about my child's behavior than the fact that they got kicked out of daycare.

[Crystal]

By kicking other children and slapping an adult in the face in her first 30 minutes....:confused:

I should have said, I do not think her behavior is okay, BUT I can understand why she would misbehave. This may have been a one-time thing....a reaction to NEW daycare, NEW environment, NEW people....she wasn't even given a chance. I would have at least seen how she behaved when it wasn't naptime.

[Cat Herder]

I should have said, I do not think her behavior is okay, BUT I can understand why she would misbehave. This may have been a one-time thing....a reaction to NEW daycare, NEW environment, NEW people....she wasn't even given a chance. I would have at least seen how she behaved when it wasn't naptime.

Ok... you scared me for a sec.

I FULLY agree the interview, introduction and acclimation was mishandled (from my point of view).

My hopes are this situation will have taught that in and of itself.

[nannyde]

I should have said, I do not think her behavior is okay, BUT I can understand why she would misbehave. This may have been a one-time thing....a reaction to NEW daycare, NEW environment, NEW people....she wasn't even given a chance. I would have at least seen how she behaved when it wasn't naptime.

I don't care if they are brand new... have to go for a nap... have to stand on their head... are one... three... five...

It don't matter to me.

You lay your hands on me and you are OUT of here that day.

I've never had a kid raise their hand to me. Not once.

Slapping an adult across the face for making them lie down is REDICULOUS. It's not like she was asking her to jump into fire.

We need to STOP telling providers it's OKAY for kids to hit them for ANY reason.

[Crystal]

I will just agree to disagree with you here Nan....I'm not in the mood to debate you.

[BigMama]

I agree with Crystal. On her very first day (stress) in a very new place (stress) her mother drops her off (stress) and then a new person (stress) immediately tells her that she has to take a nap (stress). I would freak out too! I am not condoning her aggressive actions, but think about it from the little girls perspective. She may not have the verbal skills to say, "Daycare Lady, I am scared and I want my mom!" Under all that stress she probably reverted back to primal instincts!

[Crazy8]

I agree with Crystal. On her very first day (stress) in a very new place (stress) her mother drops her off (stress) and then a new person (stress) immediately tells her that she has to take a nap (stress). I would freak out too! I am not condoning her aggressive actions, but think about it from the little girls perspective. She may not have the verbal skills to say, "Daycare Lady, I am scared and I want my mom!" Under all that stress she probably reverted back to primal instincts!

I agree (and I usually do agree with Crystal!). I don't think I would have termed instantly like that. I am very curious as to why she arrived on her very first day during nap time - I would never have allowed that.

[countrymom]

I don't care if they are brand new... have to go for a nap... have to stand on their head... are one... three... five...

It don't matter to me.

You lay your hands on me and you are OUT of here that day.

I've never had a kid raise their hand to me. Not once.

Slapping an adult across the face for making them lie down is REDICULOUS. It's not like she was asking her to jump into fire.

We need to STOP telling providers it's OKAY for kids to hit them for ANY reason.

you are absolutely right. Chrystal, the whole thing boils down to the fact that she slapped a stranger across the face, didn't even think about it, just did it. This clearly shows a child that has no self control, doesn't like rules and doesn't think she should do what she is told.

Now I do blame the mother for dropping her off at naptime, she must have been aware of the times, this was moms error, but the provider could have said "please bring her early" but I've had kids come last minute even when I have asked. Another issue is that she called 2 parents and back up and got no response, now that is scarey, if it was a real emergency (like an injury) then what was she going to do.

op you did the right thing, no child should ever hit,slap, kick or whatever to an adult (an vice versa) if the child is doing it at the age of 3 what is going to be like at 4 and 5....next don't take children at nap time, make them come early.

[Blackcat31]

In all my years as a provider I have NEVER had a hand raised to me by a child. EVER.

I have endured tantrums, screaming, spitting and all out meltdowns due to needing sleep, odd drop off times, lack of attention, family stress, abusive situations etc. but never ever ever had I a child who hit me intentionally!

Given the chance to think it through, I would have termed on the spot.

... but more realistically, I probably would have been in shock and would absolutely have called to have the child picked up ASAP.

I would have further leaned in the direction of terming as soon as I could not reach a parent or emergency contact. :confused:

Then.....after a friend of the parent calls to berate my actions/choices...I would have termed immediately without any hesitation!

[Crystal]

I have never had a child hit me either. I also would not tolerate it. BUT, I also would not put a child in the position she was put in. She is THREE!!!! She was totally thrown for a loop here. She didn't know this provider who was chasing her around telling her to be quiet. She was out of control and it is the providers responsibility to help her regain her self control IN A SUPPORTIVE, NURTURING manner. She was puttin the kid in time out within minutes of her arrival....how about trying to sit down, read a book, relax into the situation rather than.........ah, nevermind, it's like beating a dead horse.

[awestbrook713]

you tend to beat that dead horse alot.....

[mismatchedsocks]

When i first just read the initial post I thought "oh wow, poor child and poor provider". I do not condone the hitting at all. But I think I would have called mom to let her know her child had hit ( and let the child here) then give her a chance to shape up. I would definitely have a huge talk with her before laying her down again, and explained what I expected from her. Who knows where she came from, or what her issue was? Maybe mom had her nap already?

I probably would have done the 1pm drop off different, maybe read her a book just her and I then tell her "ok, its time to lay down with friends".

[Christian Mother]

I had a little one start who had been in and out of daycare from the time she was 2. Grandma was caring for her and told me upfront what to expect. Clingy, nap time transition very hard for dcg, very needy. Granted Grandma prepared me and she dropped off right at start of day. It took me 2 wks to get her to feel comfortable with me and nap time was horrible each day she would screams and cry as long as I was in there with her. Do I blame her...no, I understood what I was dealing with bc Grandma clued me in. That helped a lot transition in with other kids and after 6 mo once mom was released to care again for dcg she was just a wonderful sweet little girl. I cried when she left bc I saw from what we went through to what she became after. I still miss that little one. I am not sure I'd have termed but I would of def. called mom to let her know what was going on and that if I was unable to get her under control she'd have to be picked up. I still have a responsibility to the others in my care. I couldn't afford to spend one on one time with her specially if she was violent. I believe 30min is def. enough time to make a call and have mom pick up. I wouldn't have termed but I would tell her that lets start again however drop off time will need to be at the beginning of the day not at nap time. Also, that if there is any hitting or kicking or biting the provider then they will again get a call for pick up with a 2 wk probation to determine if there can be a change in behavior which both parents and provider work on together.