Venting Thread

[Unregistered]

If the government protocol was more lenient, I probably would be one of those that would live safely but not in fear...as I believe we need to move on..... The government protocols leave me in fear of my livelihood. I do NOT like that.....Right or wrong, I have aged, gained weight, depressed, etc.....and THAT is what is causing the most health issues.....

Everywhere I go, everyone seems to be wearing masks and following protocol and yet...still they say cases are at an all time high. so....Do the protocols actually work?

I agree, the financial and emotional impacts are scary. Shutting down a country forcing people out of work is a huge problem ....especially if most people are compliant with the mask mandates.

What doesn't make sense is "essential" services are varying among states. So, now people are putting off going to the dr when they NEED to be seen or "Zoom" (that is NOT A REAL APPT! one cannot assess a cancerous lump or a rash that way...) and so this is a cause for health concerns. Dental appointments are put off creating problems.. Yet you can go to a liquor store.. 🙄The influenza virus and all other diseases seem non-existent anymore. E learning does NOT work well for most kids. And ostracizing ourselves from family? Detrimental.

It is acceptable to riot or protest. None of those gatherings contribute at all? I find that hard to believe!

My own kids managed to do in person band and gymnastics with ZERO incidences of Covid..They have been doing this since June. How does that work? It's all too weird.

[e.j.]

Everywhere I go, everyone seems to be wearing masks and following protocol and yet...still they say cases are at an all time high. so....Do the protocols actually work?

I think they do when they're followed. We had a very high number of cases in the spring and with mandated mask wearing and lockdowns, the rates of Covid did come down quite a bit over the summer. Unfortunately, once things started to open up again and people became less vigilant, virus rates started to go back up again and now, it's at the point where they're setting up field hospitals again to deal with the expected increased rate of hospitalizations.

According to the gov of our state, contact tracing indicates gatherings in private homes where people are less likely to follow strict protocols (including the number of people gathered), get-togethers at bars and, believe it or not...hockey games have been some of the biggest spreaders here. (It was explained that hockey games per se weren't the problem; it was parents socializing in parking lots afterwards without wearing masks or standing 6' apart, kids horsing around before getting into their cars, etc. that caused the virus to spread. A church in a city near me where people gathered in large numbers without wearing masks has also been a major factor in the spread in our area. Because the spread of the virus is exponential, it really doesn't take too many people not following protocol to get the spread we're seeing now.

I agree, the financial and emotional impacts are scary. Shutting down a country forcing people out of work is a huge problem ....especially if most people are compliant with the mask mandates.

Are enough people compliant, though - at all times? I wish I thought that were true. Just given what I've seen and heard from the parents in my day care, from my family members who have coworkers who refuse to follow protocol, I have my doubts. My husband's boss commutes to work with an employee who just tested positive. His boss should be in quarantine right now but is still at work. My son's office mate should be wearing a mask according to company rules but refuses to, as does half the staff there. The owner of the company has put out a policy stating masks are to be worn but doesn't enforce it. My dd works as a clerk at the post office. I won't even go into the number of customers she deals with daily who refuse to follow proper protocol.

What doesn't make sense is "essential" services are varying among states. So, now people are putting off going to the dr when they NEED to be seen or "Zoom" (that is NOT A REAL APPT! one cannot assess a cancerous lump or a rash that way...) and so this is a cause for health concerns. Dental appointments are put off creating problems.. Yet you can go to a liquor store.. 🙄The influenza virus and all other diseases seem non-existent anymore. E learning does NOT work well for most kids. And ostracizing ourselves from family? Detrimental.

Essential services are varying among states because President Trump delegated the job of Covid response to the individual governors of each state. There is no nationwide policy to guide them so they've each adopted the protocols they feel are best for their state.

In this state, at least, there are ads on tv encouraging people to continue to see their doctors and dentists. There are protocols to follow when you go but people are being told here that regular appointments shouldn't be put off.
Unfortunately, the higher the Covid rates rise, the less people want to risk going to the doctor/dentist. The more the hospitals fill up with Covid patients, the more regular care is going to be impacted. It makes sense to me that if we all do what we can to follow the protocol and stop the virus rates from going up, the better off we'll all be - that much sooner.

When our state first went into lockdown in the spring, I also questioned why liquor stores were allowed to remain open when other businesses that I would consider more essential were forced to close. I read a few articles about it. Reasons seemed to range from closing them in one state could encourage interstate travel to other states which needed to be discouraged because of Covid spread. Rates of people going through withdrawal could go up, increasing hospitalizations at a time when they were trying to keep those rates as low as possible. The potential for creating an alcohol black market and the fact that alcohol sales are such a large part of the economy were also cited as possible reasons. Not sure I buy all of those explanations; some made more sense to me than others. Unfortunately, we're not all going to agree on what meets 'essential" criteria and what doesn't.

Ostracizing ourselves from our families? In this day in age? I'm not the most computer savvy person but even I've stayed in touch with family using Facebook, email and texting. It's not the same as face to face visits but if it keeps all of us safer for now, I'm ok staying in touch this way until we can get back together in person. I've also had a driveway visit or two with my sister. It was so good to see her even if we couldn't hug each other.

It is acceptable to riot or protest. None of those gatherings contribute at all? I find that hard to believe!

I haven't heard anyone *who has been paying attention to the medical/science experts* say that these gatherings don't contribute to the spread of Covid - have you? Unfortunately, when large groups of people, fueled by emotion, decide to gather together for whatever reason (riots, protests, rallies, parties....) and there's yelling, shouting and singing and little attention paid to Covid protocol, there's a really good chance those gatherings will contribute to the spread. I was just as concerned watching the celebration after Joe Biden won the election as I was with the BLM protests and the Trump rallies and any other large gathering taking place. From the interviews I've seen on tv, medical/science experts were very concerned about the gatherings, too, but they don't have the authority to put a stop to them.

My own kids managed to do in person band and gymnastics with ZERO incidences of Covid..They have been doing this since June. How does that work? It's all too weird.

Adherence to protocols? Luck? Whatever it is, I hope it continues for you and that you and your kids remain safe and healthy.

[Josiegirl]

^^^^^^^ all of what e.j. said.
If you're 'looking around' and using a general glimpse of shoppers, etc., seeing 85% adhering to the rules, great. That's what I feel it is here. And some more than others. But then you look at sports pictures in the newspaper and victory hugs show 100% noncompliance with masks. And yes, hockey was a big spreader here. Multiply each potential exposure by the number of family/friends, etc. they each come into contact with. Plus I bet every single state is still having weddings, church services, restaurant gatherings, parties; how many positive cases came from Halloween parties? How many will be caused from Thanksgiving and Christmas?
Last time I went out was Saturday because we needed stuff at Walgreens and the grocery store(realizing only NOW what I need to buy for next pandemic). Walgreens-4 thoughtless young teens walked into the store, no masks, fake coughed and then left. Proceeded to the grocery store and had to stop to let an unmasked mom with 2 boys walk past.
So even though I am seeing major compliance, it's the minority who are still not helping. All it takes is 1 positive case to make many, if not protecting others.

[Josiegirl]

^^^^^^^ all of what e.j. said.
If you're 'looking around' and using a general glimpse of shoppers, etc., seeing 85% adhering to the rules, great. That's what I feel it is here. And some more than others. But then you look at sports pictures in the newspaper and victory hugs show 100% noncompliance with masks. And yes, hockey was a big spreader here. Multiply each potential exposure by the number of family/friends, etc. they each come into contact with. Plus I bet every single state is still having weddings, church services, restaurant gatherings, parties; how many positive cases came from Halloween parties? How many will be caused from Thanksgiving and Christmas?
Last time I went out was Saturday because we needed stuff at Walgreens and the grocery store(realizing only NOW what I need to buy for next pandemic). Walgreens-4 thoughtless young teens walked into the store, no masks, fake coughed and then left. Proceeded to the grocery store and had to stop to let an unmasked mom with 2 boys walk past.
So even though I am seeing major compliance, it's the minority who are still not helping. All it takes is 1 positive case to make many, if not protecting others.

Unregistered, count your blessings Covid hasn't touched your family due to your children participating in band and gymnastics. Truly lucky. Keep crossing your fingers.
Our local area has been mostly untouched until the past month and now it's spreading like wild fire.

[Annalee]

I watched our 'virtual school board meeting' last night. I am impressed by them. Parents were chiming in about sports not being able to be played if the school went total remote (they are hybrid right now) and of course, with all remote there is no sports. Anyway, the leaders told the parents "it's up to you all as parents" to do your part to keep the spread down....that the mayor had issued a 30-day challenge of mask wearing to get the numbers down so since that isn't happening, YOU the parents will reap the consequences if the schools have to go all remote. Very interesting meeting.

I wanted to chime in and say "for all of you that said covid was fake and would be gone after the election; this is what you got".

[VictoryCare]

Exactly!....😊

[CenterTeacher20]

Ugh our food catering service's menu items are getting more and more bland. Gonna have to live with it though, since we don't have a kitchen

[Meadow]

I found out that dcm1 admitted to dcm2 that she knowingly sent her dcg today after dcg had first-hand exposure to someone who had tested positive for COVID. Some parents are just unbelievable.

[Former Teacher]

I found out that dcm1 admitted to dcm2 that she knowingly sent her dcg today after dcg had first-hand exposure to someone who had tested positive for COVID. Some parents are just unbelievable.

And this is exactly one of the many reasons why this BS isn't stopping!

[e.j.]

And this is exactly one of the many reasons why this BS isn't stopping!

[Josiegirl]

I found out that dcm1 admitted to dcm2 that she knowingly sent her dcg today after dcg had first-hand exposure to someone who had tested positive for COVID. Some parents are just unbelievable.

Wow, so many are not playing by the rules. I hope that dcm was ousted for her blatant disregard for health practices.


There was an article written by an ICU nurse, saying how even on some people's death beds, they were still denying they had Covid, even after testing positive for it. They were still claiming it had to be pneumonia or even lung cancer. They'd say 'this can't be happening, it isn't real'. And then you've got all the ones who regret their actions and not taking it seriously enough while gasping for breath. :confused:

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/526204-south-dakota-nurse-says-many-dying-patients-still-insist-covid-19-not

[Sunshine69]

Every November, week before Thanksgiving:

Client: What days are you open next week?

Me: Monday and Tuesday

Client: How much do I owe you for next week?

Me: Same weekly payment as always. It is tuition-based. Not hourly.

This time, from a client who signed the contract a month ago. I have three rates. Hourly, Daily and Weekly. The client gets to pick the one that works best for them when they enroll. Then the one week a year I get to benefit from it, they want to renegotiate. It’s infuriating!

[sahm1225]

Every November, week before Thanksgiving:

Client: What days are you open next week?

Me: Monday and Tuesday

Client: How much do I owe you for next week?

Me: Same weekly payment as always. It is tuition-based. Not hourly.

This time, from a client who signed the contract a month ago. I have three rates. Hourly, Daily and Weekly. The client gets to pick the one that works best for them when they enroll. Then the one week a year I get to benefit from it, they want to renegotiate. It’s infuriating!

Yesterday I had a client who’s been with me for 3 years asking if they can switch days next week. I don’t do switching. Do I asked do you mean you want to add a day? Dcm replies with no, I just want to make up the days you’re closed...
Really?? I just said I’m Sorry we’re full.. but come on. You know I don’t do switching. You know you pay to add days (they’ve added days before).. why ask when you know the answer is no? It’s insulting

[Blackcat31]

I found out that dcm1 admitted to dcm2 that she knowingly sent her dcg today after dcg had first-hand exposure to someone who had tested positive for COVID. Some parents are just unbelievable.

(((hugs))) This is so frustrating!

I have a DC family this morning that is keeping their family home and having one of two of their DCK's tested because they developed a bit of a clear runny nose. Child is 15 months. No other symptoms or reason to suspect COVID but they have access to rapid testing and simply want to make sure.

Another family...and DCM is arguing with me about her child having to stay home for 14 days due to direct contact. DCM's work is telling her she has to return to work after 7 days because they are short staffed. DCM seems to think because work is okay with it, I should be as well.


It's one extreme or another and I know it's only going to get worse as cold/flu season gets into full swing. Add in the holidays and family gatherings and it's going to be a long tough winter.

I've sent home numerous letters telling parents I MUST follow state depart of health rules and I will NOT make exceptions for anyone so don't even ask. Of course, 75% if them ask anyways.

I want/need the week vacation at Christmas more than ever this year but I am terrified to take it off as I suspect most families will find whomever and where ever to take their kids in when I am closed because they certainly aren't going to spend the week with their kids.

Ugh! It's a no win situation no matter how you play it.

[Annalee]

(((hugs))) This is so frustrating!

I have a DC family this morning that is keeping their family home and having one of two of their DCK's tested because they developed a bit of a clear runny nose. Child is 15 months. No other symptoms or reason to suspect COVID but they have access to rapid testing and simply want to make sure.

Another family...and DCM is arguing with me about her child having to stay home for 14 days due to direct contact. DCM's work is telling her she has to return to work after 7 days because they are short staffed. DCM seems to think because work is okay with it, I should be as well.


It's one extreme or another and I know it's only going to get worse as cold/flu season gets into full swing. Add in the holidays and family gatherings and it's going to be a long tough winter.

I've sent home numerous letters telling parents I MUST follow state depart of health rules and I will NOT make exceptions for anyone so don't even ask. Of course, 75% if them ask anyways.

I want/need the week vacation at Christmas more than ever this year but I am terrified to take it off as I suspect most families will find whomever and where ever to take their kids in when I am closed because they certainly aren't going to spend the week with their kids.

Ugh! It's a no win situation no matter how you play it.

all but one of my families are on essential worker subsidy pay. My concern is they all pull out when that ends Dec. 31 during my xmas break. Rationale has gone away. Even though I've had some of these kids for four years, the families have grown accustomed to FREE!